The Three didn't kill us...

[CycloneErik]

Pathetic shooting and crooked officiating killed this one.

Still could have shot our way into the win with anything resembling competence in shooting.

 

[3TrueFans]

If we just shot 100% from the line we'd be unstoppable. Get it together, Fred!

 

[QCCyclone]

Really? You call missing 12 free throws while the clock is stopped nothing? Missing two of three by Kane at the end? Not getting the rebound on all but two of the misses? Boy....some of you really need to study the game of basketball a bit more. The three may be glamorous but we had chance after chance with the hacking Jayhawks to close the gap at the line. We blew it. Shooting 64% is worse than any good high schooler makes.

Average NCAA free throw %: 69. If we matched this, we lose 77-72
Average NCAA 3-point %: 35. If we matched this, we win 79-77

Obviously there are other variables I'm not taking into account, but my point - you're wrong.

 

[Cyclone_Power]

You're right. It wasn't the three that killed us, it was taking so many and not hitting them that killed us.

/thread

 

[Dingus]

It wasn't just shooting terribly from 3 that killed us, although that was a lot of it. We were also out-rebounded by 17. Second straight game an opposing player got a career high in rebounds.

We will lose almost every game we shoot <25% shooting 25+ 3's while also getting outrebounded. Simple as that. Hopefully those are the only 2 all season.

 

[mattyice]

Really? You call missing 12 free throws while the clock is stopped nothing? Missing two of three by Kane at the end? Not getting the rebound on all but two of the misses? Boy....some of you really need to study the game of basketball a bit more. The three may be glamorous but we had chance after chance with the hacking Jayhawks to close the gap at the line. We blew it. Shooting 64% is worse than any good high schooler makes.

umm....no. The offset of number made compared to KU makes it a push. Coulda shoulda woulda on making more, but they also could have gotten more, made more as well.

what cost us was atrocious perimeter shooting by this team...namely ejim and niang.

Niang by the way is 1-18 3 point attempts. And when you combine poor shooting by undersized post players, and that those under sized post players are going to give up easy buckets defensively, more second shots, etc.....THAT'S why we lost.

But I'll try and study the game more...thanks.

 

[Dingus]

Everyone keeps comparing our 3 pt % to last year, but the difference was last year we went after and got a lot of offensive rebounds so still got points off many of those misses. We RARELY get an offensive board off a missed 3 this year. Normally it looks like no one is even in to rebound.

I understand the advantage it gives us to get back on D, but still its a big difference.

 

[CycloneErik]

Everyone keeps comparing our 3 pt % to last year, but the difference was last year we went after and got a lot of offensive rebounds so still got points off many of those misses. We RARELY get an offensive board off a missed 3 this year. Normally it looks like no one is even in to rebound.

I understand the advantage it gives us to get back on D, but still its a big difference.

Didn't we have 13 offensive rebounds? We made an effort on that end. We just couldn't shoot to save our lives.

 

[CYKOFAN]

I don't see us shooting 3's as bad as we did last night again, but I also don't think we can depend on this year's 3 point shooters like we could our previous couple of teams which had a lot of dependable 3 point shooters. But we do have 4 guys who can score inside and we don't turn the ball over much, and against most teams that can overcome some bad outside shooting nights. Just not a team like Kansas.

 

[cyclone87]

I don't see us shooting 3's as bad as we did last night again, but I also don't think we can depend on this year's 3 point shooters like we could our previous couple of teams which had a lot of dependable 3 point shooters. But we do have 4 guys who can score inside and we don't turn the ball over much, and against most teams that can overcome some bad outside shooting nights. Just not a team like Kansas.

Problem is we couldn't make the inside stuff either, just a bad shooting night all around. Hard to see us being that bad again, never know though.

 

[Doc]

unbelievable how poorly we shot, and the game was even this close! 77-70

It's equally unbelievable that we had 16 less TOs than them and still lost. They took terrible care of the ball, we shot poorly, and they kind of canceled out. Next game should be an entirely different ballgame.

 

[Wesley]

The three is exactly what killed us and it has killed us the last two games along with allowing offensive rebounds

Same old things for several games:
Free throws
Three misses
Key rebounds missed.
Fourth was added is getting stuffed at the rim.

FRankly, it is hard to believe it was this close.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Problem is we couldn't make the inside stuff either, just a bad shooting night all around. Hard to see us being that bad again, never know though.

True. Kansas gets some of the credit but no excuse for some of the inside shots we missed. Petty amazing we didn't get blown out and got to give credit to the guys for somehow competing when not much was going right.

 

[mitten1975]

Really? You call missing 12 free throws while the clock is stopped nothing? Missing two of three by Kane at the end? Not getting the rebound on all but two of the misses? Boy....some of you really need to study the game of basketball a bit more. The three may be glamorous but we had chance after chance with the hacking Jayhawks to close the gap at the line. We blew it. Shooting 64% is worse than any good high schooler makes.

I agree that it was an important factor, but not the only one. If we would have shot the year three pt ave. including the Kansas game, which was 34%, we would have made 4 more threes. That would have given us 12 more pts, putting us ahead. Not only that it would have opened the inside more. If we would have played this bad against Baylor they would have beaten us just the way Kansas did, 7 pts or more. There were many factors that took us out of that game, but three pt. shooting I believe was the worst. Free-throw shooting was really bad also.

 

[Spam]

Guns don't kill. People do.

 

[TheSuperiorOne]

The loss really breaks down to three things, simple as that.

1. Awful three point shooting. (4-25)
2. Poor rebounding. Curious why we didn't go with a bigger lineup.
3. Poor free throw shooting. (22-34)

Honestly, the fact we stayed so close throughout the game is impressive when you consider the above.

 

[Yellow Snow]

It wasn't just shooting terribly from 3 that killed us, although that was a lot of it. We were also out-rebounded by 17. Second straight game an opposing player got a career high in rebounds.

We will lose almost every game we shoot <25% shooting 25+ 3's while also getting outrebounded. Simple as that. Hopefully those are the only 2 all season.

We missed 48 shots. 48. Of course they out rebounded us in overall numbers. We threw up so many bricks it would have been hard for them NOT to out rebound us. They missed 31 shots to our 48. That is 17 more chances for a defensive rebound for them.

We had more offensive rebounds than they did.

Our ****** shooting is what killed us. Plain and simple.

 

[CyCloned]

The loss really breaks down to three things, simple as that.

1. Awful three point shooting. (4-25)
2. Poor rebounding. Curious why we didn't go with a bigger lineup.
3. Poor free throw shooting. (22-34)

This exactly, I have no clue how ISU was in this game besides the large number of TOs. I thought Fred had a great plan with doubling the post, as this caused a lot of the KU turnovers. The outside shooting was very disappointing because there were so many bricks thrown up there. KU did defend the 3 fairly well with their length, but there were still a dozen of the misses that were really good looks. It was just a horrible game. I have to give credit to Fred for a good plan and the players for putting up a good fight, otherwise that could have been really a ugly beatdown.

Honestly, the fact we stayed so close throughout the game is impressive when you consider the above.

 

[ExCyment]

As another poster commented on I'm surprised we didn't put in a bigger lineup. If nothing else maybe Endozie or Gibson would draw a foul or two on the big seven footer. I know they would probably foul more, but putting embiid on the bench with 4 or 5 fouls would have been huge.

 

[Dryburn]

Anyone who thinks that the poor shooting by ISU last night was not the primary, if not sole reason for the loss just does not follow much basketball. You can't shoot 4-25 from behind the arc and expect to win.

Rebounding was a concern, but one has to realize that ISU missed 17 more shots than KU did, so KU had more opportunities for defensive rebounds. Coincidentally, KU had 17 more rebounds than ISU. However, ISU had 16 offensive rebounds to KU's 15, so on that score they were pretty even. KU did make better use of their offensive boards by converting them for 13 more 2nd chance points than ISU had. ISU, however outscored KU by 13 points on points off turnovers. So all of that is a wash.

You can't shoot 31 percent from the field while your opponent is shooting 49 percent and expect to win many games. Plus, ISU does not live or die by the three alone, but it needs to hit the 3's at a better rate than the opponent to make the offense work the way it is intended. It's funny to me that Bill Self can admit that the way his team won last night was because ISU shot so poorly, especially from behind the arc, yet our own fans can't admit to that.