Coaches must also recruit players with the right mental make-up - winning football games should be very important to them, and losing should be painful. The team looks very apathetic, and has for the last four games...
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The results of our football program in the past 15 years is your argument about why recruiting isn't an issue?
Our Oline is not talented. That's the one place I will say that. Our feline destroyed a lot of plays tonight which was surprising but the second level allowed a lot of extra yards.
Yeah, was probably being generous.
Then we're never going to get out of the cellar of this conference, let alone ever compete for a title. This league has tons of talent on offense, and we need similar talent to compete. No talent = no wins. It's just that simple.
Look at Chizik. It's not like he suddenly became a great coach the year he had Cam at QB and Malzahn as OC. What happened when those guys were gone? See ya Chiz.
Even Texas has this problem, specifically at QB. They were good under Applewhite/Sims, great with V. Young and Colt McCoy, and have pretty much been average since. It's not like Mack Brown just forgot how to coach.
The results of our football program in the past 15 years is your argument about why recruiting isn't an issue?
No. But what is there to think that recruiting is down? It is what it always has been. So quit ******** about it because it is ALWAYS going to be an issue. Wishing and hoping it were better doesn't do anything.
If anything, people should be complaining about our player development. THAT is what has failed lately. Our players look lost. Our play-calling is suspect. Maybe our scheme doesn't match. Those are good questions.
But to say it is our recruiting means that we should just hang it up and go non-scholarship. Because our recruiting is the same that it has been. And the same that it will be in the future.
Completely agree. But so what? This is the most difficult job in a BCS conference. We will never be able to recruit the high level prospects. So we have to take risks on under-the-radar guys we think can develop.
Agreed. Our player development isn't good. Iowa puts a lot of guys in the NFL. Yet they don't recruit at a high level. So how does that happen??? Find guys that fit, guys with upside, and coach them up.
Being big, strong, and fast is more important. I don't think "wanting to win" is the issue.
One thing I will say about Iowa, is that even though they're usually not really high in the recruiting rankings, they are typically around 30-35. They get guys that may not have 4-5 stars, but they have lots of other BCS schools that offer.
Regardless of stars, we need guys that Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas Tech, TCU, etc offer. We'll never beat Texas, OU and LSU for recruits. That's obvious, but until we fill half of our classes with guys that have 3-5 other bowl caliber offers, we'll never develop enough talent to get out of the 7-10 range in the B12.
Regardless of stars, we need guys that Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas Tech, TCU, etc offer. We'll never beat Texas, OU and LSU for recruits. That's obvious, but until we fill half of our classes with guys that have 3-5 other bowl caliber offers, we'll never develop enough talent to get out of the 7-10 range in the B12.
demoncore1031
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Stupid post. They are getting the best players they can. Intellectually dishonest to think they are not getting the best players possible.
Your point only stands if the majority of these guys who are entering the NFL from Iowa were 2/3 star recruits out of high school.
Here is what should end this stupid thread...
Every year, Rivals releases ranking of states based on ratio of D-I signees. Over the past 5 years, Iowa consistently ranks about 40-42nd. It is the lowest of any state in B12. Lowest of any state that is home to BCS conference, aside from Minnesota. And Missouri is usually above Iowa but is close. But Minny and Missouri each have one BCS team. Iowa tries to support 2. And of the high-level kids who have stayed in state, we have the majority of them lately.
The state of West Virginia is very close. However, WVU is close to a few hotbeds like Maryland and the DC area. We aren't close to any hotbed. We get little exposure in neighboring states because they aren't in our conference. And programs in those states (Nebraska) have better selling points than us.
We are #106 of FBS teams in all-time winning percentage. We have finished in top-25 twice in our history. We have won three bowl games in our history.
So... Lack of local talent, long distance (and different climate) from states that do have talent. We have no tradition. We have no mountains or beaches.
It's like selling a Honda Civic to someone that can get a Lexus for the same price. Might be a nice car but most aren't going to bite. So no more threads complaining about something that just isn't going to change. You might as well complain about the cold winters and corn fields.
Every year, Rivals releases ranking of states based on ratio of D-I signees. Over the past 5 years, Iowa consistently ranks about 40-42nd. It is the lowest of any state in B12. Lowest of any state that is home to BCS conference, aside from Minnesota. And Missouri is usually above Iowa but is close. But Minny and Missouri each have one BCS team. Iowa tries to support 2. And of the high-level kids who have stayed in state, we have the majority of them lately.
The state of West Virginia is very close. However, WVU is close to a few hotbeds like Maryland and the DC area. We aren't close to any hotbed. We get little exposure in neighboring states because they aren't in our conference. And programs in those states (Nebraska) have better selling points than us.
We are #106 of FBS teams in all-time winning percentage. We have finished in top-25 twice in our history. We have won three bowl games in our history.
So... Lack of local talent, long distance (and different climate) from states that do have talent. We have no tradition. We have no mountains or beaches.
It's like selling a Honda Civic to someone that can get a Lexus for the same price. Might be a nice car but most aren't going to bite. So no more threads complaining about something that just isn't going to change. You might as well complain about the cold winters and corn fields.
Look at recruiting rankings and then look at draft picks. Over the past 10 years, I would guess Iowa ranks in the upper 40s for signing classes. And probably 10-15 for draft picks. Maybe I am wrong but probably not by much.
Edit: Good God, now I am complimenting the ******* Hawks. I need a shower.
BCS teams with lower all-time winning percentage: K-State, Northwestern, and Indiana. We have no recruiting advantages over any of these histoically bad teams. K-State and Northwestern have much better recent success. Indiana is slightly better but fairly similar to ours. But all reside in states with more FBS signees (and more 3+ star recruits) than Iowa. Plus all are closer to other high-talent recruiting areas than Iowa.
I'm just saying, it's not about overall recruiting ranking, I'm talking about the individual players. You could have a mediocre recruiting rating overall but have one or two stud players who then go to the NFL. So.. is that all coaching because those highly rated players turned out to be.. well, better players?
You always spam these type of threads with excuses.
We recruited a high level of talent here in the 70s. Comparable schools like Northwestern get talent and are able to compete. Why can't we be as good as Nebraska once was? Lincoln is in the middle of nowhere.
We get it. It is harder to recruit at Iowa State than Texas, Alabama because of the distribution of talent. That doesn't mean it's impossible. The reason we haven't been good in the past 20-30 years is coaching.
BCS teams with fewer all-time bowl victories: Vanderbilt and Northwestern (each with 2). Tied at 3 bowl wins with UConn, Indiana, Duke. All reside in states with more local talent.
It's hard to recruit here and then when you have no history of winning, it's way more difficult. Iowa is not world beaters either.
