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im4cyclones

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I'm just saying, it's not about overall recruiting ranking, I'm talking about the individual players. You could have a mediocre recruiting rating overall but have one or two stud players who then go to the NFL. So.. is that all coaching because those highly rated players turned out to be.. well, better players?

But they aren't bringing in elite HS talent that will make the NFL, no matter what coaching they get. It is player development. Look at all the tight ends they have in the league. And O-linemen. They aren't getting that many high-level prospects.
 

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It's hard to recruit here and then when you have no history of winning, it's way more difficult. Iowa is not world beaters either.

It's hard but it's still achievable.

Sorry that I don't think Paul Rhoads, Gene Chizik, Dan McCarney, Walden, etc. are "great football minds."

Imagine if we hired Jim Harbaugh, Mike Leach, Bill Snyder, or somebody who isn't an average-to-poor coach. I would have to believe our football program would be looking a lot different.
 

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You always spam these type of threads with excuses.

We recruited a high level of talent here in the 70s. Comparable schools like Northwestern get talent and are able to compete. Why can't we be as good as Nebraska once was? Lincoln is in the middle of nowhere.

We get it. It is harder to recruit at Iowa State than Texas, Alabama because of the distribution of talent. That doesn't mean it's impossible. The reason we haven't been good in the past 20-30 years is coaching.

I spam these threads because they are stupid. And as long as they come up, I will fight against them. And they arent excuses. They are FACTS.
 

im4cyclones

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It's hard but it's still achievable.

Sorry that I don't think Paul Rhoads, Gene Chizik, Dan McCarney, Walden, etc. are "great football minds."

Imagine if we hired Jim Harbaugh, Mike Leach, Bill Snyder, or somebody who isn't an average-to-poor coach. I would have to believe our football program would be looking a lot different.

Not saying they are great football minds. If we had gotten those you listed, chances are we would be about where we are at. Don't forget, we hired a national assistant coach of the year and defensive coordinator of a national championship team. On paper, his resume was as good as any you mentioned when they might have come here. And how'd that work out? How's Cincinnati doing without Kelly? How was K-State without Snyder? And both have recruiting advantages over us.

Texas Tech isn't fair because IT IS IN TEXAS. And Stanford is (1) in California, (2) has better tradition that us, (3) offers a freaking Stanford education.

Dont be dense.
 

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It's hard but it's still achievable.

Sorry that I don't think Paul Rhoads, Gene Chizik, Dan McCarney, Walden, etc. are "great football minds."

Imagine if we hired Jim Harbaugh, Mike Leach, Bill Snyder, or somebody who isn't an average-to-poor coach. I would have to believe our football program would be looking a lot different.
Crazy to think we could have had Harbaugh instead of Chizik. Harbaugh even wanted the job. Wonder where this program would be now if that happened.
 

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Crazy to think we could have had Harbaugh instead of Chizik. Harbaugh even wanted the job. Wonder where this program would be now if that happened.
I agree. Harbaugh would have won, then left, just like he did at Stanford. But, just like Stanford, he would have hired a tremendous staff here and one of his top assistants would have taken over and continued the success. And we'd be a physical, run-first, power-I team (just like Stanford).
 

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I agree. Harbaugh would have won, then left, just like he did at Stanford. But, just like Stanford, he would have hired a tremendous staff here and one of his top assistants would have taken over and continued the success. And we'd be a physical, run-first, power-I team (just like Stanford).

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Harbaugh would have been a great fit. I really think that the talent that we could recruit in our area would have been perfect for Harbaugh's offense. At ISU, usually we have been able to grab big physical lineman (except now) and great running backs.
 
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im4cyclones

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You always spam these type of threads with excuses.

We recruited a high level of talent here in the 70s. Comparable schools like Northwestern get talent and are able to compete. Why can't we be as good as Nebraska once was? Lincoln is in the middle of nowhere.

We get it. It is harder to recruit at Iowa State than Texas, Alabama because of the distribution of talent. That doesn't mean it's impossible. The reason we haven't been good in the past 20-30 years is coaching.

We can't go back and change the past. What if we kept Earl Bruce or Johnny Majors? What if we promoted Jimmy Johnson when he was an assistant? Fact is that we didn't.

1. State of Nebraska produces more FBS signees every year than state of Iowa. No other FBS competitor instate.
2. Nebraska has something like 5 AP national titles and have 8-9 other national titles from various outlets.
3. Go to a game in Memorial and then one in Jack Trice.
4. They have produced countless All-Americans, a few Heisman winners and sent many to NFL.


My point intrying to kill these threads is to rip on our recruiting is dumb because it will ALWAYS be difficult. But signs point to it getting better under Rhoads.
 

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Maybe it's time to go get a not fans coach and one who is rough around the edges?
 

im4cyclones

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I agree. Harbaugh would have won, then left, just like he did at Stanford. But, just like Stanford, he would have hired a tremendous staff here and one of his top assistants would have taken over and continued the success. And we'd be a physical, run-first, power-I team (just like Stanford).

We don't know he would have won here. If he did, we don't know his staff would have stayed. If they did, we don't know the success would have continued. Look at Cincinnati. Kelly wins big, Butch Jones replaces and they win, he leaves and they are back to where they started. Keep in mind, they are a better program than we are anyway and have more advantages than we do. So what Kelly did there doesn't mean he would have done the same here.
 

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I don't know if I agree that pointing to one long play, where they missed a tackle means we have talented players.

Iowa is not exactly loaded with talent, although I must admit that Kirk has put a lot of players into the league.

However, when I look at their position groups versus ours, I don't see a lot of Cyclone wins.

DL: Iowa by a long shot
LB: Iowa by a long shot (last year we had a better group, but that was our best ever)
Secondary: Push, possibly advantage Iowa
Punter: ISU
Kicker: Iowa
QB: Iowa
RB's: Iowa
OL: Iowa by a long shot
TE: Push
WR: Push

Granted I know this was posted after the game was over but in all reality was anyone saying that Iowa had a better running back to QB than ISU? I dont recall seeing it. Not trying to call you out or anything but I don't believe that Iowa has a better QB or group or running backs. Iowa's QB has an arm and is smart I'll give him that... but all anyone was talking about was how deep we were at running back and how goo Sam was going to be this year. Doesnt matter who who have back there when you get pressure on the qb with 4 defensive linemen. Fact of the matter is that UNI exposed a weakness in the D and Iowa made us pay. Sam didn't hit some of the passes he should have (lots were over thrown) and many of them, even if they were completed would have been for a loss because the WR screens were blown from the start. We ran the offense like a ****** and Iowa was ready. Defense couldn't stop the run and Iowa made us pay. I honestly wouldn't expect to see anything different from any one else we play this season.
 

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We can't go back and change the past. What if we kept Earl Bruce or Johnny Majors? What if we promoted Jimmy Johnson when he was an assistant? Fact is that we didn't.

1. State of Nebraska produces more FBS signees every year than state of Iowa. No other FBS competitor instate.
2. Nebraska has something like 5 AP national titles and have 8-9 other national titles from various outlets.
3. Go to a game in Memorial and then one in Jack Trice.
4. They have produced countless All-Americans, a few Heisman winners and sent many to NFL.


My point intrying to kill these threads is to rip on our recruiting is dumb because it will ALWAYS be difficult. But signs point to it getting better under Rhoads.
Nebraska will never be anything more than mediocre from here on forward.
 

Mtowncyclone13

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gosh guys. why can't we be like MN. 7 natl titles and everything.

look where they are now. recruiting to Midwest sucks for all of us. doubly hard for those that have never been dominant.
 

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I agree. Harbaugh would have won, then left, just like he did at Stanford. But, just like Stanford, he would have hired a tremendous staff here and one of his top assistants would have taken over and continued the success. And we'd be a physical, run-first, power-I team (just like Stanford).

Harbaugh would've been a dream. He could've done everything at ISU he did at Stanford as they are similar situations. Can you imagine ISU with Andrew Luck, BCS bowls, and top 10 rankings for more than 1 week? Then his assistants would've stayed to keep the dynasty going! JP really missed the boat on that one by picking the Chiz of all people and in hindsight demonstrates really questionable judgement.
 

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I hate to say it but I have a feeling we're going to lose Lazard as well. I saw him tonight on Welch and said "hey, we will see you next year!!.....Right?" and he said "yea at Notre Dame". I dont know if he was messing with me and just talking **** with his friends but it hurt to hear either way. At this point we can just hope he really wants to play with his brother and at the school his dad loves.
 

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I hate to say it but I have a feeling we're going to lose Lazard as well. I saw him tonight on Welch and said "hey, we will see you next year!!.....Right?" and he said "yea at Notre Dame". I dont know if he was messing with me and just talking **** with his friends but it hurt to hear either way. At this point we can just hope he really wants to play with his brother and at the school his dad loves.

Gone ... And I told you so. BEND worked his magic!
 

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Coach Rhoads better stop the bleeding. We just lost to Iowa and know we might lose lazard. Rhoads might need to shake things up and fire the oc. Lazard would be a huge blow and we might lose other recruits because of him. Rhoads needs to act fast! I still have faith in coach Rhoads that he can right the ship.
 

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I hate to say it but I have a feeling we're going to lose Lazard as well. I saw him tonight on Welch and said "hey, we will see you next year!!.....Right?" and he said "yea at Notre Dame". I dont know if he was messing with me and just talking **** with his friends but it hurt to hear either way. At this point we can just hope he really wants to play with his brother and at the school his dad loves.
If true that really sucks. Sounds like he will be gone and I don't blame him.