They went from like 9/10 to 12/10.
They found another gear or two as juniors and seniors.
Thomas and Nader were much better under Prohm, too.
This is why Prohm must go........
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They went from like 9/10 to 12/10.
They found another gear or two as juniors and seniors.
Thomas and Nader were much better under Prohm, too.
I mean Georges Niang was good when he got here but he certainly got better over the course of his career. Matt Naz and Monte had their best years as seniors in the program.
I don't think Bolton was in the top 25 of transfers according to Jeff Goodman if I remember correctly. He is a good transfer but I don't think he was considered one of the best.
I do not know if there is a way to sort for this, but I doubt there are many (or even any) immediately-eligible transfers being more productive than him right now, particularly ones who are going to have two more years after this one.
Bolton has essentially replaced Wigginton in the lineup -- if not improved on him slightly. He is not the problem. Basically everybody else (save TH) and the lack of a "big wing" type, which Horton-Tucker would have been, is the issue.
Without Bolton, then yeah, we might very well be heading for #10 in the Big 12.
I thought he was listed as one of the better transfers but I could be wrong. Either way I think he's ended up being a good get and will only continue to get better.
He needs to make a staff change to correct this...yesterday...last year...two years ago...
Well the list of immediately eligible transfers with two years remaining after this year would most certainly be pretty small so you are probably right on that one. But that wasn't the point. I was just saying that he wasn't considered an elite transfer recruit at least by Jeff Goodman, for whatever that is worth.
He's playing like one -- particularly factoring in he is a sophomore, not a senior, and we did not have to wait a year in order for him to play.
You have to give Prohm some, or a lot, of credit for finding him, securing him, and getting him eligible. If this thing is going to turn around somehow, then Bolton is probably going to be the centerpiece of a comeback, if there is a path to one at all.
I mean we did just pick up one of the best centers in the nation, so that may help things. But I'll agree as far as other bigs have gone, the development and recruitment has not been very good at the 5 position.
Mindset/concentration are a part of it. But scheme is just as important on defense as it is to coaching offense.
It's clear we don't have a coherent scheme on defense. Even listening to Coach Prohm's post game interviews he talks in circles about scheme "well we tried ICE, and then we tried under, we hedged some, we just gotta get tougher".
We just gotta get tougher really isn't an answer for anything in basketball. Tougher is an impossible to define metric. Bob Huggins teams are "tough" because the have great defensive schemes and are well coached on individual defensive techniques.
There are very very few coaches that are good at coaching both offense and defense. Prohm clearly isn't a defensive coach. That can be ok, but if that is the case he needs someone on his staff that is.
I think too many people are latching on to the last little bit of this tweet and ignoring the important parts at the beginning of it.
Realizing full well how anti-Prohm this sounds were they developed, or was it just the natural progression of a player through their junior and senior years?
Do you remember the change in Matt Thomas' defense? He went from a defensive liability to a player who wanted to defend the best guard.
I think coaches are given too much credit sometimes for development. A lot of it comes down to the player and the work they are willing to put in. Coaches can help give them the tools and teach them what they need to do to improve but a lot is just about self motivation.
Does that mean we can delete all of the posts in this thread that bash Prohm for not developing players?
True, but based on the last 5 years I struggle to believe Prohm turned Matt into a good defender. If so, give the rest of the team some of what Matt was having.
It's also about the coaches putting them into a system that can highlight their talent. Shayok got drafted because he came to a system like Iowa State. He was not going to get drafted at Virginia.
No real way to tell, to be fair, and ample opportunity to read your preexisting biases into it. Guys who got good "worked hard on their game themselves" while guys who did not develop "did not receive good coaching or instruction from the staff." You could switch that around very easily. Which one is the truth is hard to say at any point.
I agree bashing kids is going to solve nothing. But majority of bashing I’m seeing is on Prohm. He’s the adult that makes 2.3million. He’s deserving of criticism. As i type that out tho i guess that solves nothing either but hey this is a message board. If answers to questions were easily solved this would be a pretty dead place.
I think Prohm really is a great recruiter, it's his #1 strength, and I think he is probably one of the best in the country. He would make a fantastic top-level assistant in ANY program.
OMG he is Wayne Morgan.
