Thoughts on new foul rule

[VeloClone]

I didn't know the IHSAA ran the NCAA.
Everyone has gone soft. And for this to be good for us is bogus. We are undersized post players. What its probably going to do is help teams with 5 - 6'10'' players. One thing it could help with is our guards getting to the lane and picking up fouls. I guess we will see. I do know it slows the game down which isn't good for our offense.

Teams could stretch out 5 - 6'10" guys a lot longer when the refs were allowing a lot more of this rough play. Maybe you won't foul them all out but will it really matter if you send your opponent to the line 40 times?

Personally I fail to see how cleaning up the game and taking the defensive offensive balance back to where it was 25 years ago is a bad thing.

 

[jay moe]

So after seeing the new rule in action tonight, what does everyone think?

Do you think it will affect ISU in a positive or negative way?

Love it? Hate it?

Again, here's what the rule states:
• When a defensive player keeps a hand or forearm on an opponent
• When a defensive player puts two hands on an opponent
• When a defensive player continually jabs by extending his arm(s) and placing a hand or forearm on the opponent
• When a player uses an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent


Last night we were in the bonus already with 12:50 to go in the first half. We didn't seem to have anyone in foul trouble, but it was only an exhibition. I noticed it may take some time for the refs to get used to it too because there were multiple times I thought obvious fouls were committed but not called.

I felt like our players had a good understanding of the rule and were really working to move their feet. Kane's strength is going to get him to the line at least 10 times a game. Our bigs will definitely get in trouble though.

Didn't mind the officials last night, concerned about how it will be called in the Big XII, especially at places like Kansas and OSU. Bench play will be important because foul trouble will be a real concern for teams.

 

[SwirlingFloater]

Multiple comments by people on here that it will slow the game down and make it boring.

Isn't the intent of the NCAA to increase scoring and allow talented scorers to make more plays by minimizing rough beat-em-up defense?

 

[Doc]

I think it will help ISU more than most programs. Big guys aren't used to defending the perimeter that much and I think Niang, Ejim, and Hogue being able to put the ball on the floor will help draw a lot more fouls. Plus, we typically haven't played an aggressive defense under Hoiberg, so I don't think it will hurt us that much on defense.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I think it will help ISU more than most programs. Big guys aren't used to defending the perimeter that much and I think Niang, Ejim, and Hogue being able to put the ball on the floor will help draw a lot more fouls. Plus, we typically haven't played an aggressive defense under Hoiberg, so I don't think it will hurt us that much on defense.

It will make it so untalented teams can't just push and shove their way to victory. Like KSU, WVU, ect. I think this also makes conference play a little easier for young players, since the change in physicality from non con to Big 12 play will be a little smaller.

 

[Cincyclone]

Multiple comments by people on here that it will slow the game down and make it boring.

Isn't the intent of the NCAA to increase scoring and allow talented scorers to make more plays by minimizing rough beat-em-up defense?

In the long run that's what will happen but until the players adjust it will result in 50 fouls being called a game.

 

[RoseBowlBound]

I think in the long run it will be beneficial, but this year it is going to suck. I was at the Iowa game yesterday and it was pretty brutal to the point where it felt like you couldnt breathe on the ball handler. I was in the front row and yelling at the head ref Pat Driscoll who does a lot of big ten games, and at one point I said "We came here to watch basketball" and he turns around and says "Me too, these rules suck, its like getting a parking ticket on campus for doing nothing wrong". Interesting to hear a veteran big ten guy feel that way.

 

[Rural]

I thought it would be a lot worse. Obviously the first few weeks of the season will have some growing pains but all in all I think it will be good for the game and great for us.

My brother (being an Iowa fan) really hopes they actually stick with this rule throughout the entirety of the season. He's sick of seeing Mich. St. maul everybody. The same goes for K-State. Oh, and what is Aaron Craft going to do now?

Ha, if MSU moves their feet and bodies Iowa all over the court, they will crush them.

 

[FDWxMan]

Much needed change. It will suck while everything adjusts, but eventually it will smooth out.

The K-State/Wisconsin/Purdue/Michigan State clutch and grab is not basketball.

They've just let it get so bad over the last 10-15 years that it LOOKS like this is a radical change, and not what it really is, which is just getting back to how everthing is supposed to be.

 

[MartyFine]

So after seeing the new rule in action tonight, what does everyone think?

Do you think it will affect ISU in a positive or negative way?

Love it? Hate it?

Again, here's what the rule states:
• When a defensive player keeps a hand or forearm on an opponent
• When a defensive player puts two hands on an opponent
• When a defensive player continually jabs by extending his arm(s) and placing a hand or forearm on the opponent
• When a player uses an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent


Last night we were in the bonus already with 12:50 to go in the first half. We didn't seem to have anyone in foul trouble, but it was only an exhibition. I noticed it may take some time for the refs to get used to it too because there were multiple times I thought obvious fouls were committed but not called.

I felt like our players had a good understanding of the rule and were really working to move their feet. Kane's strength is going to get him to the line at least 10 times a game. Our bigs will definitely get in trouble though.

It was absolutely necessary in both men's and women's college b-ball. The NBA did the same thing, and that has worked great for the pro game.

 

[isutrevman]

I love it. Basketball was meant to be a skill/ finesse game. It has gotten way too physical. I hope they call illegal screens and over the backs on rebounds a lot tighter too. It's not supposed to be a game of brute strength like football.

There is a solution to not getting so many fouls called. Play defense correctly!

 

[jay moe]

I love it. Basketball was meant to be a skill/ finesse game. It has gotten way too physical. I hope they call illegal screens and over the backs on rebounds a lot tighter too. It's not supposed to be a game of brute strength like football.

There is a solution to not getting so many fouls called. Play defense correctly!

Exactly!

 

[CloneZone13]

It's good that Fred went through this same rule change in the NBA. He is a fan of new rule, and has the experience with it to coach it well. Should give ISU an advantage with the new rule. Although, I'm also sure the new rule will have me yelling at my T.V. several times this year.

 

[HFCS]

I love it. Basketball was meant to be a skill/ finesse game. It has gotten way too physical. I hope they call illegal screens and over the backs on rebounds a lot tighter too. It's not supposed to be a game of brute strength like football.

There is a solution to not getting so many fouls called. Play defense correctly!

Should be phase one of a two step plane where phase 2 is a 30 second shot clock.

 

[Cydkar]

I thought they did something similar a few years back, by making calling fouls on hand checks a POE?

I remember them doing that and by February it wasn't being called anymore.

It's now been escalated past POE status.

I think the adjustment will be swift.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

It was absolutely necessary in both men's and women's college b-ball. The NBA did the same thing, and that has worked great for the pro game.

This alone changed my opinion. I don't know why I despised it, but when you pointed out women's basketball the first thing I thought of was how Grider was pretty much allowed to bear hug our girls when they played. Change of mind. I now like the new rule.

 

[tm3308]

I think it will overall be beneficial to ISU but I think it really slows down the game and makes it tough to watch.

It's going to get worse before it gets better. Once players and coaches adjust, I think fans will be very happy with the product and will wonder how they ever thought the game was truly entertaining over the last 15-20 years. It's going to be an ugly adjustment period, but it's a necessary one, IMO.

 

[tm3308]

I love it. Basketball was meant to be a skill/ finesse game. It has gotten way too physical. I hope they call illegal screens and over the backs on rebounds a lot tighter too. It's not supposed to be a game of brute strength like football.

There is a solution to not getting so many fouls called. Play defense correctly!

I can't wait to see Aaron Craft foul out of a ball game. He's the one I think will be really exposed this year as only a slightly above average defender. Let's see what he can do when he's not riding his man like a cheap hooker.

 

[tm3308]

Ha, if MSU moves their feet and bodies Iowa all over the court, they will crush them.

MSU has the talent on both ends to beat you without mugging you. Wisconsin, Purdue and OSU (Craft) might not.

 

[stormchaser2014]

Does this rule apply to Kansas?