Thread to share videos of the Baylor game fix

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Freyler targeting
*4th play of game
*Not called on the field
*Replay-initiated call, with 11 seconds on the play clock
Q: How much of Baylor's later passing success was in the area of the field where Freyler would have been?

Without the targeting, it's 3rd and 6 from the Baylor 39.

The very next play...

Reeder unnecessary roughness
*Flag came from the LJ (LOS on Baylor sideline).
*The only possible justification -- and it's a big stretch -- is "contact against an opponent out of the play". The LJ wouldn't have known yet whether or not the WR was obviously out of the play when the contact occurred.
*Anderson had a 7-yard sack wiped out on the play. If that had happened on 3rd and 6 (as it should have been), then it's 4th and 13 and Baylor punts instead of scoring a touchdown.

Moving ahead to action later in the 2nd quarter...

Johnson illegal block
*Came in 2-3 seconds after the play, from the R, who was behind the play and had a bad angle.
*HL (on the LOS, ISU side) had the best sightline, but was likely keyed on the tackle and ball spot.
*Without the penalty, it's 4th and 5 from the ISU 29 -- which is either a 46-yard FG attempt or BU goes for it. Most likely is 3 points, instead of the 7 they got on that drive.

McDonald face mask
*Clearly the right call, but would never have had the opportunity to occur if the previous penalty on Johnson wasn't called.

Now in the 3rd quarter...

McDonald hands to the face
*It happened, but came after a blatant hold by the TE (not called).
*Flag again thrown by R, who should have had a good angle on the hold.
*So what could have been as far back as 1st and 20 from midfield (hold, no PF) turns into 1st and 10 at ISU's 25.
*Baylor finishes the drive with a touchdown.
Baylor attacked Mason Chambers all game after Freyler was out
 

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Yes. No disrespect to Chambers but he blew the coverage for the score following Freyler's ejection. There is a reason Freyler is the starter.
And therein is the problem with the rule. There HAS to be a 1 and 2 classification. Even if that’s a 1, so be it, whatever. In that part of the game it really doesn’t matter.

But it took our best safety off the field immediately. With all that being said it wasn’t targeting.
 

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Compare that play to Easton Dean getting the cheap shot in the Ohio game. Exact same route but not even close to the level of personal foul
Yeah I remember that. Like it wasn’t even a cheap shot lol you’re literally taught to do that! I’d understand if he ear holed the guy or something but he just pushed him. It’s such a bad call. The national media guys were hammering that ref.
 
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This is picking up national attention but not in a good way. A lot of the stories are about our fans complaining about officiating and saying the game was rigged. We are being laughed at. I am not sure that is what we want right now is other teams and conferences looking at us as whiners and excuse makers. I know that is not what we are doing but its coming off that way on the national level.
 
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This is picking up national attention but not in a good way. A lot of the stories are about our fans complaining about officiating and saying the game was rigged. We are being laughed at. I am not sure that is what we want right now is other teams and conferences looking at us as whiners and excuse makers. I know that is not what we are doing but its coming off that way on the national level.
According to who?
 
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Our players and coaches just need to bottle all that anger up and save it for the KU game and for the next time we play Baylor. It's unlikely, but if there's any justice in this world, that next time will be in this year's Big 12 Championship Game.
 

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The whole rigged question is a bunch of people who are incapable of thinking anything nefarious happens in life.

At this point it isn’t that an actual game is rigged or not. It has more to do with the inexplicable amounts of consistent officiating blunders that go one direction. Especially since the legalization of gambling I think we see this more

If people want to eliminate the questions then they need to support real accountability for officials. The “assessments” of officials are a load of crap as no one sees any repercussions. It is eroding people’s confidence in the integrity of the game.

If the Big 12 came out and said you know what the officials were atrocious during that game and they faced some sort of repercussions then you wouldn’t see those accusations. The problem is you have clearly wrong calls that just get ignored.
 

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This is picking up national attention but not in a good way. A lot of the stories are about our fans complaining about officiating and saying the game was rigged. We are being laughed at. I am not sure that is what we want right now is other teams and conferences looking at us as whiners and excuse makers. I know that is not what we are doing but its coming off that way on the national level.
Yep, fans should just shut up and eat that big plate of sh*t pie that was feed to us Saturday and just keep eating it over and over again -- and we better be smiling as we are chewing.
 

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This is picking up national attention but not in a good way. A lot of the stories are about our fans complaining about officiating and saying the game was rigged. We are being laughed at. I am not sure that is what we want right now is other teams and conferences looking at us as whiners and excuse makers. I know that is not what we are doing but its coming off that way on the national level.

We need more eyes on this. The game was rigged and it needs to be investigated.
 

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Although it was one of the worst stretches of officiating I have ever seen, ISU was only down 3 at the half. In the second half, ISU didn't do what they needed to do to pull out a W, plain and simple.

Could you argue those early calls were game changing? Absolutely. But in the end, the better team won. What's done is done. Onward to Kansas!
 

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Although it was one of the worst stretches of officiating I have ever seen, ISU was only down 3 at the half. In the second half, ISU didn't do what they needed to do to pull out a W, plain and simple.

Could you argue those early calls were game changing? Absolutely. But in the end, the better team won. What's done is done. Onward to Kansas!
Not really sure about that
 

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As much as you keep trolling this rigged forum and saying the same thing I am starting to think you are messing with us


Maybe. But doesn't the fact ISU had a player ejected without an on the field call make you go........hmmm?

I may be wrong, but can penalties be called retro actively by the booth? I have always thought the booth was there to review and either confirm or correct a call made on the field. Not make the calls themselves after the play is over.

It wasn't like the field officials threw a flag, penalized Freyler for a PF then said it's under review for illegal contact.

Play was stopped by someone in the booth to review something that wasn't called on a previous play who then instructed the field officials to eject Freyler and then penalize ISU 15 yards for a penalty the field officials didn't flag.

Makes me go hmmm.
 
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Maybe. But doesn't the fact ISU had a player ejected without an on the field call make you go........hmmm?

I may be wrong, but can penalties be called retro actively by the booth? I have always thought the booth was there to review and either confirm or correct a call made on the field. Not make the calls themselves after the play is over.

It wasn't like the field officials threw a flag, penalized Freyler for a PF then said it's under review for illegal contact.

Play was stopped by someone in the booth to review something that wasn't called on a previous play who then instructed the field officials to eject Freyler and then penalize ISU 15 yards for a penalty the field officials didn't flag.

Makes me go hmmm.
I'm not sure of the rule/protocol, I'll defer to others' expertise -- is targeting something that can be booth-initiated? (If so, that would satisfy your main quandary)
 

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Maybe. But doesn't the fact ISU had a player ejected without an on the field call make you go........hmmm?

I may be wrong, but can penalties be called retro actively by the booth? I have always thought the booth was there to review and either confirm or correct a call made on the field. Not make the calls themselves after the play is over.

It wasn't like the field officials threw a flag, penalized Freyler for a PF then said it's under review for illegal contact.

Play was stopped by someone in the booth to review something that wasn't called on a previous play who then instructed the field officials to eject Freyler and then penalize ISU 15 yards for a penalty the field officials didn't flag.

Makes me go hmmm.
Targeting can be initiated by the booth without a call on the field. Happens all the time. But also brings to question the multiple similar hits or worse hits by Baylor on us that were not reviewed.
 

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they sure did.

Iowa state still had a chance to get off the field that drive. twice actually.

not denying the refs had missed called at a bad time.
Maybe you could have said that in your original post. Saying it now sounds disingenuous at best.
The point is, is that the defense would not have HAD to make stops if those calls weren't made to begin with.
A better example would be, despite all of that in the first half, we were only down 3.
It was the bad 3rd quarter that was more devastating. But because of those points Baylor got, that they never should have had the opportunity to get after the calls...our room for error was very thin.
So, while the refs didn't decide the game...they sure as hell dictated the flow.