Time For Lanning

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I think a Lanning/Warren running game could really open some stuff for the receivers. You don't have to be Joe Montana to go over the top on play action so Lanning should be fine.
 

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Penalties, yes, but I wouldn't call their performance "awful". They set us up for 207 rushing yards as a team. We nearly put up 500 yards last night, I mean, look at the team stat lines from last night: http://espn.go.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400763421

We quite literally beat Toledo everywhere but the scoreboard. I'm fairly certain that those results mean we got outcoached. Sam threw for 269 and a TD, no turnovers. Acceptable. Brown ran for 129, and 5 a carry. That's pretty damn good for our standards. Our D only gave up around 300 yards, including the 2 OT's. That's pretty good. We controlled the ball for over 38 game minutes. That's pretty good. 27 first downs, that's good.

The players performed. The coaches did not. Mangino got creative with playcalling and that's great, but it still only devolved into 20 points in regulation. A little bit can maybe fall on Netten for underperforming in the clutch, but we really shouldn't have been that close in the first place.

As for Sam, you can't tell me our receivers can't get open. He clutches a lot and second-guesses. Did it a lot last night, too. He needs to step up and take a chance once in a while. Although, I'll leave the note that his scrambling last night was honestly pretty productive for the most part.

We only got 20 points because someone was ******* something up all the time and a lot of the time it was the oline. There were a lot of plays made in spite of them and while the yardage numbers are fine, Sam picked up a lot of those on his own. I'm sorry I just don't have much confidence that this offense will be all that good this year and it has zero to do with Sam.
 

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We only got 20 points because someone was ******* something up all the time and a lot of the time it was the oline. There were a lot of plays made in spite of them and while the yardage numbers are fine, Sam picked up a lot of those on his own. I'm sorry I just don't have much confidence that this offense will be all that good this year and it has zero to do with Sam.

Let's try this. If your confidence in Sam's abilities are so high, list every team in the Big XII that would start him over their current starter, and why.

I'll be surprised to see more than one, maybe two teams with legitimate reasons. If he is really as infallible as you make him sound, why does he play for us and not anywhere else? Why not transfer to bigger and better things for that fifth year?
 

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Also, no, Sam isn't the source of every single little problem that ISU has. But, I would like to make the point that he hasn't proved to be the answer to any of those problems.
 

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Yeah, with the fourth best defense in the conference. Sam has hd about the fourth worst in the country.

You would think with all of the possessions he gets from our d being awful he could get us over 24 points in a game more than once a season.
 

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Yeah, with the fourth best defense in the conference. Sam has hd about the fourth worst in the country.

Please, our defense has been the bright spot this year.

Fact is you have a fourth year qb who cannot get a 4th down pass off in ten seconds.

Sam could have won 5-6 more games in his career with an average two minute drill but was unable. Only been able to do this once and that was at Iowa last year.
 

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What I've figured out about Sam is he's a decent big 12 QB for most of the game and most games but is one of the worst QBs I've seen at making that game changing play when your team needs it and not just at the end of the game either. I see far too many times our offense driving and suddenly on first down Sam will throw the ball into the ground on a quick pass play...or something bad just happens which sets the offense back and at the worst time along with not being able to take that next step as a developed 5th year QB and make a great play to win the game.

As for Lanning...I don't think he's better than Sam throwing the ball although only playing time will tell, but I do think he could certainly add to our running game which could bolster our passing game. I don't see it happening though. It's not like Sam threw 5 INts. MM and CPR would say that Sam gives them the best shot at winning games.
 

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Lanning can add more to the running game, and he has a bigger arm. He isn't damaged goods, and won't be afraid to take shots to our talented WR's. He's a bigger guy who can take hits and get back up.
 

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Let's try this. If your confidence in Sam's abilities are so high, list every team in the Big XII that would start him over their current starter, and why.

I'll be surprised to see more than one, maybe two teams with legitimate reasons. If he is really as infallible as you make him sound, why does he play for us and not anywhere else? Why not transfer to bigger and better things for that fifth year?

There's aren't many. KU, Potentially KSU, TTU, and OSU. KU's pretty straight forward however you'd be trying to argue apples to oranges with the other three as they're different teams. They have different game plans and different personel. Which speaking of personnel, have you noticed that Sam's been sacked 12 times so far where as the next worst in the big 12 is only 6. I think there's a legitimate argument that the line is not pulling their weight (and this is apparent in the lack of a run game as well).
 

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As the announcers said in the 3rd OT SR could have ran on one play for several yards. Take what the defense gives you. It was Guaranteed 1st down. Instead he chose to pass and it was incomplete. Sam just doesn't have it all between the ears it seems. He has a slow processor.

Sam showed a lot of talent and potential the last few games of his freshman year. After several different o-coordinators and running for his life the last 3 years he's probably got a bad case of ptsd. No wonder he has a slow processor. Jmo but Sam's not the real problem. Something is always breaking down to cause losses and it seems like we usually get outsmarted or shoot ourselves in the foot at the worst times.
 

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If Rhoads wants to keep his job after this season it is time to take a risk and name Lanning the starter at QB. Sam Richardson while putting up some nice stats has not got the job done when it comes to WINS I am sick and tired of seeing the same old put out there without winning results.

I've been a huge Richardson critic since his sophomore year. But with the the massive exception of taking that sack at the end and not at least throwing the ball up for grabs, I thought he played a very good game last night. He only had a handful of bad overthrows and he isn't responsible for all of the penalties, dropped balls, the fumble, and missed FG. I might be right back with you next week, but I wouldn't bench him after last night's performance.
 

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We actually looked good against a D1 team for the first time in awhile. Hate to see that missed FG but would we be having this discussion if we had won?

I didn't think ISU looked good. I didn't think Toledo looked good...but they made the plays.

Lansing's trick play he was right up there with some of the more pointless plays vs. the time it took to develop.

Might as well go for a guard-around at this point.
 

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I've been a huge Richardson critic since his sophomore year. But with the the massive exception of taking that sack at the end and not at least throwing the ball up for grabs, I thought he played a very good game last night. He only had a handful of bad overthrows and he isn't responsible for all of the penalties, dropped balls, the fumble, and missed FG. I might be right back with you next week, but I wouldn't bench him after last night's performance.



I'm one of the few SR apologists on here and I would say he still should start vs KU however I'd like to see a couple series with Lanning in there. That's about the best game to bring him in this year as it's not going to be a tough d. Give him a little confidence and give him the chance to take a hit or two and see how he gets back up. I would not play him vs the likes of Baylor, TCU or OU but might take a wait and see approach for the rest of the games. Just how I'd play it out if I were CPR.