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I also think Otz is vastly superior to Hoiberg in OOB and ATO plays. Fred seemed to just identify mismatches and let players go one on one where Otz is manufacturing plays. Also Otz loves a good defensive curveball like a trap or switch to zone that often results in a turnover
 

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I thought that was Heises worst game but he did a very nice job on the boards, but if you miss your first 3, there’s no way he should be taking 8 more shots when you have Curt, Tamin, and Gilbert on the floor
 

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I found it interesting that the refs reviewed the clock and added time twice in Iowa states favor, but after the last ISU free throw in OT with 4.1 seconds left they didn’t review. From my personal review, the foul was blown at the end of overtime with about 5.2 seconds and it ran down to 4.1 with no review.
 
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Whenever I think Bill Self might be alright, I like to remind myself that he's been doing full-blown NIL for 20+ years, when the rest of us only recently got to pay players with impunity. Also can't think of any other programs that have been investigated by the friggin' FBI.

I'm sure he's perhaps a nice guy on a personal level but concerning hoops, he's a cheating scumbag.
 

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Whenever I think Bill Self might be alright, I like to remind myself that he's been doing full-blown NIL for 20+ years, when the rest of us only recently got to pay players with impunity. Also can't think of any other programs that have been investigated by the friggin' FBI.

I'm sure he's perhaps a nice guy on a personal level but concerning hoops, he's a cheating scumbag.
I have zero inside info, but I wouldn’t be surprised if isu bball had been paying players (on a much smaller scale) for a bit too
 
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I have zero inside info, but I wouldn’t be surprised if isu bball had been paying players (on a much smaller scale) for a bit too
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I have zero inside info, but I wouldn’t be surprised if isu bball had been paying players (on a much smaller scale) for a bit too
We had the self reported recruiting violations with Fred and if I recall correctly, something with Monte and a dinner with a coach or booster?

Point being, it is hard to believe that that’s the only two incidents with recruiting violations/improper benefits for players.

I have always said, it is naive to believe that your team is completely above board with everything at this level. I am convinced that under the old rules, all teams did things that were at least in some gray areas.
 

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I'm sure we've had lots of guys for many years who haven't played for free, but to think it's been a level playing field between the likes of ISU and the likes of KU/Duke/UNC/UK for the last ~30 years is not a serious position.
 

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Agreed. Tang is a dbag. The crap he pulled last year in Ames is something I’ve never seen before from a coach at any level.
Yep. I get he's got a "personality" but when he doubled down in the spying and didn't come out and say "misunderstanding" and instead stuck to his story to the point TJ came out to clear the air, total affirmation Tang is a dope.

BUT, that statement by TJ was baller....and with time affirms one coach was wrong and one has full class.
 

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I also think Otz is vastly superior to Hoiberg in OOB and ATO plays. Fred seemed to just identify mismatches and let players go one on one where Otz is manufacturing plays. Also Otz loves a good defensive curveball like a trap or switch to zone that often results in a turnover
I think the intensity of defense and sprinting back all the time (and having he legs/depth to sustain) is such a game changer. And that culture is what we are ....when recruited they know the work happens in June at 6am at conditioning, etc. and of course, the team culture of guys all playing a role and part is very noticable
 

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Yep. I get he's got a "personality" but when he doubled down in the spying and didn't come out and say "misunderstanding" and instead stuck to his story to the point TJ came out to clear the air, total affirmation Tang is a dope.

BUT, that statement by TJ was baller....and with time affirms one coach was wrong and one has full class.
Full class is the perfect description of the culture TJ has built. Do things the right way, play the game the right way, work hard or don’t play, no one man is bigger than the program. The list goes on. But encapsulated in a single phrase, Full class is spot on!
 
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I thought that was Heises worst game but he did a very nice job on the boards, but if you miss your first 3, there’s no way he should be taking 8 more shots when you have Curt, Tamin, and Gilbert on the floor
I'll have to go back and check, but I think Heise only took 6 shots total, so not 8 after his first 3.
There has been some exaggeration of Heise's ineptitude. (Not just this post.)
 

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We had the self reported recruiting violations with Fred and if I recall correctly, something with Monte and a dinner with a coach or booster?

Point being, it is hard to believe that that’s the only two incidents with recruiting violations/improper benefits for players.

I have always said, it is naive to believe that your team is completely above board with everything at this level. I am convinced that under the old rules, all teams did things that were at least in some gray areas.
I think it was Peter Jok. He wanted to come to ISU, then ended up being a hok due to the violation.
 

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Interesting to see Milan on the bench again at end of OT. I get Chatfield brings a different presence (screening, maybe a putback if you have time). But Milan is also a guy that can get his own shot - and a good one. Not to mention floor spacing.

For what it’s worth he was wide open on three point line at end of regulation. Keshon cleared out and made that passing lane open for Jefferson which is obviously your first look.

I wonder how much of that was drawn up and practiced versus how much improvised. Seems like it worked exactly as hoped for
Unfortunately, Milan cannot get his own shot unless he's in the low post and takes his fadeaway. Opposing teams are aware of his 3-pt shooting prowess and are not letting him get an open look. And, he's not posting up as much, probably due to us wanting to get the ball to Jackson & Jefferson. Having him on the floor opens the court up for dribble penetration because his man has to stay at the 3-pt line on Milan. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see many plays designed to give him an outside or inside shot.
 

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I think it was Peter Jok. He wanted to come to ISU, then ended up being a hok due to the violation.
If I remember right, Fred gave some junior coaching position to a former Cyclone (Keith “Lefty” Moore I think), and the guy went to a couple AAU tourneys outside of the designated recruiting periods to watch Jok. To Fred’s credit I think he self-reported and cut the coach loose. Fred stopped recruiting Jok after that.
 

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Only wish TT final play would have been a little tougher, and hope our students can bring it for the rest of the schedule like TT students.
 
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