How am I not serious? They have to choose between one more year at their current school or coming to ISU and facing impossibly high expectations trying to replace a local legend.
TJ will be the next head coach, all points towards it.
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How am I not serious? They have to choose between one more year at their current school or coming to ISU and facing impossibly high expectations trying to replace a local legend.
1. I was talking about underachieving over the course of a full season, not a one game fluke at the end of the year.
2. Why not get someone that has shown he can coach, and keep TJ on staff to recruit and get the best of both worlds? He was not promised the 'coach-in-waiting' according to CW and Jeremy, and had to know Fred leaving was a very real possibility, and he still left his job to come be an assistant here.
3. I was talking about Bryce Drew, not Scott Drew.
Of course, this is it. But you know how it is on CF, people like to let their imaginations run.
JP's boss (Leath) just needs to know that we tried to interview him. I mean if he's not interested that's not on JP.
Hornacek is going to get fired, if not soon or midseason, at the end of the year, that's how the NBA works. GMs that put together average or below average rosters like Phoenix fire their head coaches who do a good job as a way to say 'it wasn't me' when it was them. To last you have be a great coach and be lucky enough that your GM gives you a good roster.
In whose opinion they blow TJ's resume out of the water? Isn't Underwood the only one who has any high major experience? Murray State, Valparaiso, Georgia State, and North Central Carolina (who none of you would have heard of had we not beat them in the tournament) don't even remotely compare to Iowa State University. Underwood at least spent time at Kansas State and South Carolina but if he plays anything like his head honcho do you really want to watch Frank Martin "basketball"???
Which is weird because he took that below average roster to the playoffs. and barely missed it this year, without Dragic'
Don't agree with that at all. Wouldn't be better off saying nothing than telling a lie
Yep, it's both. Keep the roster together, unified and happy, and an option for a new head coach.
JP is better at his job than Van De Velde. After BVDV fired Larry the coaching search could not have gone worse. With Otz in place at least there will not be a string of 3-4 coaches publicly coming in and saying no then we hire Morgan. Either JP will get the guy he wants, or it'll look like a swift Otz hire.
It is. But it's bidness as usual in the NBA.
Most GMs get one or two get out of jail free cards by firing a coach. Doesn't matter if the coach sucks or is doing a great job. I've seen more successful coaches than Hornacek get canned for more impressive coaching runs. You don't even need to focus on Thibs as an example, Doc Rivers got canned by a crappy Orlando franchise after winning coach of the year then went directly to win a title. George Karl got fired immediately after a COTY just three years ago.
The "Hornacek is entrenched at Phoenix" is just as silly as Hoiberg being entrenched at ISU at this point. Hornacek may want to stay there, he may not be interested in coaching ISU, but barring a miracle it aint gonna happen long term for him in Phoenix.
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Do you seriously believe their resumes compare? You realize TJ was hoping for the Northern Kentucky job a while back right?...hoping for it..
Underwood is 61-8 as a head coach and has experience in a power 5 conference.
Steve Prohm has a 31-2 season and a 29-6 season under his belt already at Murray State, is young, and recruited one of the top backcourts in the nation to Murray State.
LeVelle Moton is 46-2 in conference the last 3 years and is an exciting personality.
Ron Hunter is big on the transfer scene and has had years of success.
They absolutely blow TJ's resume out of the water...he could be an assistant for any of those guys and I'd be content with how things panned out.
I take it you would've kept Hallihan and Gar Forman too instead of bringing in Floyd and Eustachy because they could recruit, and it would've kept continuity?
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if its Otz we need to pay him what he is making as an assistant. If he wins 30 games next year give him the contract. If not GTFO. Wasn't it Niangs family that said he was "shady" and they didn't care for him?
I can agree with that. He's the only one I could argue has a better resume than TJ.
One of the top backcourts in the nation gets you into the tournament. He's been to the dance once, won the CIT, and got bounced from the NIT. That's not exactly lighting the world on fire.
Yippee, he's coaching at a level just above high school.
He's been coaching for 20 years and has 2 NCAA tournament appearances in 16 years of eligibility. His best recruit was his son who was a stud at the Sun Belt level and they will be terrible this season.
Like I said, Underwood at least has SOME experience at high major level so I'll give you that. Prohm's name at least comes up when jobs are open. Moton and Hunter are absolutely PITIFUL candidates.
I wouldn't say Eustachy was a great hire either. We had two AWESOME years and 3 McDermott years. Tinsley made Eustachy while he was here.
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LE was a great coach before, during and now after ISU. That he was derailed by personal issues we'll never know how much of that could have been known.
Moton is going to get a Non blueblood p5 job or solid mid major job at some point but it'll be within a few hundred miles of North Carolina. When he gets that job he'll likely land some nice recruits.
If you think Moton and Hunter are terrible candidates, there is absolutely no way you can say T.J. isn't a terrible candidate. He was APPLYING for jobs 'one level above high school' by your definition 2 months ago, and has never won at those positions 'one level above high school' either.
Also, why not keep him on as assistant for someone that has proven they can coach and get the best of both worlds?
Also, you continue to talk about how important recruiting is (which I agree with), but then downplay the importance of coaching. If that's the case, why didn't McDermott ever win with all of those great recruits TJ brought him? Why isn't Washington winning? Why has TJ only been a part of two NCAA tourney teams with all those great recruits, if coaching isn't that important?
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Not fair to put Wayne's record in the same category as McDermott's. They are not comparable. McDermott sucked. Morgan was more "meh".
All you guys who think TJ was anointed months ago... What did you want to happen when MA left? We had an opening and Fred prepping for open heart surgery. Did you want him to leave the spot open until he was through surgery? He had a chance to hire someone who knows ISU, knows his system, knows the players, and is a solid recruiter. Doesn't mean there was a secret guarantee to promote TJ right from the jump.
Pollard had the chance to hire TJ five years ago as head coach but didn't. He could have hired another assistant from McDermott's staff for continuity but didn't. He could have hired McFarland to replace Chizik but didn't. There was one time he promoted an assistant and it was not for continuity. It was because there was no one else of value who would take it.
Pollard had the chance to hire TJ five years ago as head coach but didn't. He could have hired another assistant from McDermott's staff for continuity but didn't. He could have hired McFarland to replace Chizik but didn't. There was one time he promoted an assistant and it was not for continuity. It was because there was no one else of value who would take it.
