This works for a lot of kids but some don't care what you say to them. You have to show them you mean business. This girl wasn't going to listen to reason. I would love to see you deal with a kid like this. I bet you would change your tune pretty quick.
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This works for a lot of kids but some don't care what you say to them. You have to show them you mean business. This girl wasn't going to listen to reason. I would love to see you deal with a kid like this. I bet you would change your tune pretty quick.
Correct, she wasn't going to listen to reason. So separate her from the group and call her parents/guardian.
I guess I don't understand your last two sentences. You think that, faced with unruly children, I'd change my tune to beating the crap out of someone 20 years younger than me who isn't even allowed to vote? That first implies that I haven't faced unruly children, which is incorrect. Secondly, no, I didn't "change [my] tune" - it's never okay to hurt a child. Negative reinforcement has already obviously been the attention that this child has received, so she's seeking more of it - and so you think it's a punishment to give it to her? #basicpsychology #hashtaggingeventhoughihatehashtags
1st She didn't get beat up. She has a rug burn. You over exaggerate.
2nd Even if you can't vote you should follow rules.
3rd You have no clue if this is accurate.
4th By your response to my post you already got a little irrational. I wouldn't like to see what you would do with someone that won't listen to reason. Its nice to have all the answers until you are put in that situation.
The officer was absolutely wrong and deserved to be fired.
For those asking about the school itself, its nothing like anything in Central Iowa, I will tell you that. There are very very wealthy people who go to school there and then very poor people as well. Its about 60-40 black to white or so. They have also had serious problems with gangs in the last 15 years in that part of town.
This guy made a documentary of the gangs in the area last year and went to Spring Valley (the high school in question), fast forward to 1:30.
[video=youtube;VNT-7bY7qvo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNT-7bY7qvo[/video]
For those asking about the school itself, its nothing like anything in Central Iowa, I will tell you that. There are very very wealthy people who go to school there and then very poor people as well. Its about 60-40 black to white or so. They have also had serious problems with gangs in the last 15 years in that part of town.
This guy made a documentary of the gangs in the area last year and went to Spring Valley (the high school in question), fast forward to 1:30.
[video=youtube;VNT-7bY7qvo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNT-7bY7qvo[/video]
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1st - That doesn't mean that she wasn't thrown around by her neck, throttled, and thrown against a wall. The cop (and girl) are incredibly fortunate she only sustained a rugburn. There is no instance in which that is warranted, period. If he wants to subdue her on the ground, that's still a little egregious, but go for it - what was done here, however, is not appropriate.
2nd - Nobody is arguing that. However, someone not following rules doesn't mean, "Well, all bets are off. I have free license to do whatever I want." That's sort of why we pushed off English rule, right?
3rd - I don't know to what you're referring. You bolded two sentences and have four bullet points; you'll need to be a little clearer, as the math doesn't line up.
4th - Where was I "irrational"? I explained that, yes, I have faced my share of unruly children (let's again not forget that she is a CHILD). And, despite your allegations, I didn't "change my tune" and go apes*** on them like this cop did.
Nobody is pretending they have all of the answers - but the point is that the cop certainly acted like he did. If he was out of his depth, perhaps seeking the guidance of any of the qualified teachers on campus would have been a better first resort than choking and throwing a teenager. Contacting her parents/guardians, who would also perhaps have ideas, would have been another possible recourse. But the cop decided completely of his own volition to use excessive force and violence when dealing with a child. That type of reaction isn't appropriate when dealing with an adult, so it certainly isn't with a child. You want a troubled child to grow up violent, you expose them to violence - that is how the cycle of abuse goes. I can show you countless studies that support this. Where is your science backing up throwing around children? I'll wait.
I've had years experience working with juveniles and a state penitentiary. I'm sure your google is really nice but it hardly makes you informed on any subject like this. This is a lot of the problem lately. People with no knowledge and no experience with this can look up some study on the internet and act like they have all the answers. Physically restraining someone is not very easy. You don't know he didn't talk to the teacher before this. He asked the girl three times to get up and she didn't. The school had their chance to talk her out and she refused.
People take for granted what it takes for the police to keep people safe. Its not a nice world and force is often necessary. The difference b/t you and me is that I want to see the girl succeed in life and you just want yourself and her to feel good right now. In a few years she is old enough to be thrown in a real prison that will effect her life forever. If she can learn a life lesson about following authority and only get a rug burn to show for it maybe she can stay out of prison. We have way to many people wasting their lives in prison and its a shame. Seeing her getting toppled out of her desk and bowled to the front of the class is uncomfortable for you I get it but you are crippling her if you let her get away with her behavior. Sometimes people need to hear no and you have to mean it.
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i am sad you are sensitized enough to accept a cops behavior like this, and have it take place in a school, where a person didn't break a law.
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Nice diatribe. It completely misses the point, though. Who exactly was the policeman keeping safe in the video? Who was threatened? What great evil did he thwart by tossing a non-violent adolescent across the room?
Yes, police officers keep the public safe, but their power is not innate. It's granted by the people that they're charged with protecting. And those people have a right to say what lines the police may not cross. Clearly, evidenced by the unceremonious GTFO, given by his boss, Officer Slam crossed those lines. Hopefully he never gets another job as a policeman again, because while I'm sure there are lots of good cops out there, he's not one of them.
Let's not forget that an SRO is not solely at a school to enforce the law, but act as a resource to assist with conflict resolution between staff and students, provide positive exposure of students to law enforcement, provide education to students about the roles of law enforcement, and provide a safe environment for students to learn.... all of which he failed at, the moment he laid his hands on her and threw her around like a rag doll.
http://cte.jhu.edu/courses/ssn/sro/ses1_act4_pag1.shtml
"1. Provide law enforcement and police services to the school, school grounds and areasadjacent to the school. Investigate allegations of criminal incidents per police department policies and procedures. Enforce state and local laws and ordinances. Make appropriate referrals to juvenile authorities or other governmental agencies.
2. Work to prevent juvenile delinquency through close contact and positive relationships with students. In addition the SRO shall develop crime prevention programs and conduct security inspections to deter criminal or delinquent activities. The SRO should monitor crime statistics and work with local patrol officers and students together to design crime prevention strategies
3. Establish and maintain a close partnership with school administrators in order to provide for a safe school environment. Assist school officials with their efforts to enforce Board Of Education policies and procedures. Ensure school administrator safety by being present during school searches, which may involve weapons, controlled dangerous substances or in such cases that, the student’s emotional state may present a risk to the administrator. Assist school administrators in emergency crisis planning and building security matters. Provide a course of training for school personnel in handling crisis situations, which may arise at the school.
4. Be visible within the school community. Attend and participate in school functions. Build working relationships with the school’s staff as well as with student and parent groups.
5. Develop and implement classes in law related education to support the educational efforts of the faculty. Work closely with teachers in designing and presenting law-related topics and the role of police in our society.
6. Work with guidance counselors and other student support staff to assist students and to provide services to students involved in situations where referrals to service agencies are necessary. Assist in conflict resolution efforts.
7. Initiate interaction with students in the classroom and general areas of the school building. Promote the profession of police officer and be a positive role model. Increase the visibility and accessibility of police to the school community."
http://cte.jhu.edu/courses/ssn/sro/ses1_act4_pag1.shtml
"1. Provide law enforcement and police services to the school, school grounds and areasadjacent to the school. Investigate allegations of criminal incidents per police department policies and procedures. Enforce state and local laws and ordinances. Make appropriate referrals to juvenile authorities or other governmental agencies.
2. Work to prevent juvenile delinquency through close contact and positive relationships with students. In addition the SRO shall develop crime prevention programs and conduct security inspections to deter criminal or delinquent activities. The SRO should monitor crime statistics and work with local patrol officers and students together to design crime prevention strategies
3. Establish and maintain a close partnership with school administrators in order to provide for a safe school environment. Assist school officials with their efforts to enforce Board Of Education policies and procedures. Ensure school administrator safety by being present during school searches, which may involve weapons, controlled dangerous substances or in such cases that, the student’s emotional state may present a risk to the administrator. Assist school administrators in emergency crisis planning and building security matters. Provide a course of training for school personnel in handling crisis situations, which may arise at the school.
4. Be visible within the school community. Attend and participate in school functions. Build working relationships with the school’s staff as well as with student and parent groups.
5. Develop and implement classes in law related education to support the educational efforts of the faculty. Work closely with teachers in designing and presenting law-related topics and the role of police in our society.
6. Work with guidance counselors and other student support staff to assist students and to provide services to students involved in situations where referrals to service agencies are necessary. Assist in conflict resolution efforts.
7. Initiate interaction with students in the classroom and general areas of the school building. Promote the profession of police officer and be a positive role model. Increase the visibility and accessibility of police to the school community."
This is a school, not a juvy hall, or prison...... and his actions may very well, have done far more damage then good here. Do you think the girl and the other students in the classroom will have a positive view of LEO's in the future? Respect is not earned through tyranny.
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Sigh** This is disappointing. The part you bolded wasn't about this particular issue. It was talking about the world we live in and the hard jobs police have. If he wanted to hurt that girl he easily could have done more damage. He should have had the use of force reviewed and should have been trained on it. Use of force is purely subjective and his use of force resulted in a rug burn. He is being punished as if he broke her leg. People with your point of view is enabling these kids to not listen to authority. The lesson they learned from this is that they don't have to listen to authority. In the future when they don't listen to authority it might cost them a job or time in jail. I would bet by that time you have lost your compassion for this person by then.
I'll get off my soap box about this. Some people just like to point fingers and not do anything to help. To everyone who disagreed with me I'm sure if you have kids they are probably great kids. The fact that you care enough to get riled up about this tells me you are probably good parents. Some kids just don't have that good foundation you gave your kids and those are the ones I worry about. I'm going to a bball board to feel better. Later
Maybe I'm missing something but what I see is the SRO trying to physically remove the girl from the desk and the girl locking her knees under the desktop. The SRO tries to pull but he now has to lift the desk too. I'm guessing if couldn't do it completely and once he gets if off the ground a little the desk topples over backwards, looking way worse than it actually was. During this people have said that the student hits the SRO and so upon the desk hitting the ground the SRO feels more force is required. If the above is true than it's the students fault that the desk topples to the ground. If the SRO was hit during the fall then I'm not so sure his additional force wasn't warranted. There could have been a better way to handle it but if the student won't leave what other options do you have. I haven't read everything this is on the subject but from what I have read, first the teacher asks her to leave several times, then an administrator asks her to leave, and only then was the SRO brought in, and even then the SRO asks her several times to leave. How many times do you give her? We should always try to avoid using force if at all possible, but I don't see how she gave them much choice.
The desk got in there so it is safe to assume it will come out. You also have several adults. I am sure they could pull the desk out with her in it.
I think some of us need to remember the team America scene in the bar where they talk about Xussies, Xicks, and Xssholes. That keeps all of us in line. Right now I think the Xussies have a little to much say in society. They are useful but sometimes a Xick needs to check the Xssholes.
It's pretty cut and dry. You don't hit kids. I've taught inner city for the past 3 years, and you'd be amazed at what some if these kids can be capable of. As adults, it's or job to teach kids his to handle situations without being physical.
Spanking, slapping, throwing out of a desk, whatever, send the completely wrong message.
I also think some people should remember the movie "Cocktail" and Coughlin's laws, which appear to make as much sense in this situation:
"Beer is for breakfast around here, drink or be gone."
I'm not caught up on this thread at all, but one thing my Special Education teacher wife said about it was, that entire situation was not handled well at all.
Steps need to be taken to deescalate the situation well before the RSO is contacted.
If the student wont leave class then one strategy is to clear the rest of the class. This student likely wants the attention from making a scene. If it's just the student and the teacher and administrators there, then that removes a huge amount of the problem.
Yes it is disruptive to class, but it's better than what went down. Send the rest of the class to the cafeteria or something.
Then you can address the student with just the teacher, administrators, and hopefully counselor in the room. They don't have to be forced to leave. Maybe in private you can find out the real issue.
Finally, if none of that works, you can call the RSO to escort the student from the classroom/school. No other students are there so it's less likely there will be a scene. Also, for a bit of CYA for the school, there aren't 20 camera phones to take everything out of context on the internet.
It really sucks that the police are forced to the bad guys far too often. This officer went over the line, but I have a feeling that there have been a lot of things pushing that line for a long, long time.
Steps need to be taken to deescalate the situation well before the RSO is contacted.
If the student wont leave class then one strategy is to clear the rest of the class. This student likely wants the attention from making a scene. If it's just the student and the teacher and administrators there, then that removes a huge amount of the problem.
Yes it is disruptive to class, but it's better than what went down. Send the rest of the class to the cafeteria or something.
Then you can address the student with just the teacher, administrators, and hopefully counselor in the room. They don't have to be forced to leave. Maybe in private you can find out the real issue.
Finally, if none of that works, you can call the RSO to escort the student from the classroom/school. No other students are there so it's less likely there will be a scene. Also, for a bit of CYA for the school, there aren't 20 camera phones to take everything out of context on the internet.
It really sucks that the police are forced to the bad guys far too often. This officer went over the line, but I have a feeling that there have been a lot of things pushing that line for a long, long time.
