UNLV QB is leaving the program immediately due to the school not withholding NIL commitments

[Land Grant]

If this is going to be the lead topic in college football from here on, I am tempted to tap out. I'll watch the NFL where the product is better. I guess I really did like the mythos of student athletes and amateur athletics. It all started downhill with runaway coaching salaries.

 

[Gunnerclone]

4th string RB who has 6 carries per game is probably not transferring due to NIL. Most likely hoping to find another school where he might get playing time before his career ends.


Thus the decision to redshirt to buy another year. He knows he will not see the field where he is at.

It’s still a problem. It’s like a “try before you buy” scenario for seniors.

 

[jctisu]

I cared about all of this crap the first year of NIL. Now, I truly don’t give a **** what anyone does on any side. Let the wild west continue and I will cheer for Iowa State and whoever is on the team.

Players, coaches, administrators, etc., go get your money as often as you can. And that includes during the season. I am all for zero rules because I just care on Saturday that I get to watch football. Don’t truly give a **** if the coaches or players are on their fifth team in four years. Hell, I really want to shake it up and allow everyone to move week to week. Honestly, let’s get this thing as crazy as we can because in the end, I just care there is football being played.

 

[trevn]

 

[isufbcurt]

1. Yes, it is revenue/gross not net. Expenses tend to be about the same.

2. The key point is collectively bargained stipend. Not agree to an open market of salary. It’s only valid in the former. At that time the allowed stipend was as $0.

3. What percent of walk-ons are getting NIL across all the sports? I’d guess a tiny percentage. So they prob don’t get paid in this scenario either, or at least at a drastically reduced rate. Personally I think there should at least be SOMETHING of a stipend pool for programs to use for walk-ons to earn. Even if it is very little, it's better than what they have typically gotten. I suppose there are some walk-ons that never earn a scholarship that do earn NIL that this would hurt. But I suspect that is a very small number.

4 and 5. Correct, I should’ve accounted for additional employer expenses. Maybe a stipend of 28-30k equates to a total cost to ISU of $37-42k. So maybe a $7-8.5 million annual expense. So maybe more like 6-7% of their budget has to be trimmed, again assuming none of the NIL is diverted AD donations.

Also, look at college athletics departments expenses vs revenues. Notice how the magically tend to track super close to each other, despite the revenues changing a lot? Do you think that's because every year every expense is absolutely critical and they're so fortunate that revenues magically go up just the right amount they needed to avoid catastrophe? Pretty obvious most ADs spend whatever revenue they get.

So I'm not buying going from available revenue of $110M and shaving $8M off the top for stipends, insurance, IPERS etc. is going to bankrupt an athletic department. That is not ideal. But for the majority of programs that don't have massive boosters, it's probably better than the current wild west in the long-run.

Who is bargaining on behalf of athletes? Because I will bet a lot of money they will go for way more than $30k.

Regarding the walkons - Once Labor laws get involved walkons will have to be employees too because the government (fed and state) are not going to allow some players to be employees and some players to be volunteers. So with that football alone adds approx. 35 more paid employees.

 

[ClubCy]

If this is going to be the lead topic in college football from here on, I am tempted to tap out. I'll watch the NFL where the product is better. I guess I really did like the mythos of student athletes and amateur athletics. It all started downhill with runaway coaching salaries.

I respect your choice either way but a UNLV player doing this is making you feel way?

Our own Iowa State has been paying players for decades, players have transferred for worse reasons from Iowa State. I guess I don’t understand, other than it’s pretty public now, what’s different than what was happening 25 years ago?

 

[simply1]

 

[ClonesFTW]

I cared about all of this crap the first year of NIL. Now, I truly don’t give a **** what anyone does on any side. Let the wild west continue and I will cheer for Iowa State and whoever is on the team.

Players, coaches, administrators, etc., go get your money as often as you can. And that includes during the season. I am all for zero rules because I just care on Saturday that I get to watch football. Don’t truly give a **** if the coaches or players are on their fifth team in four years. Hell, I really want to shake it up and allow everyone to move week to week. Honestly, let’s get this thing as crazy as we can because in the end, I just care there is football being played.

Maybe I’m old school on this but one of my favorite parts of college athletics was watching players/teams develop in the program over 4 years, with essentially no stress of losing them in the offseason outside of injury.

 

[AuH2O]

Who is bargaining on behalf of athletes? Because I will bet a lot of money they will go for way more than $30k.

Regarding the walkons - Once Labor laws get involved walkons will have to be employees too because the government (fed and state) are not going to allow some players to be employees and some players to be volunteers. So with that football alone adds approx. 35 more paid employees.

Well, it doesn’t matter because the ship sailed years ago. There’s no going back now.

The opportunity to do this was ahead of NIL, so it’s a moot point. But years ago there might have been a chance to get this done and have some order through employment.

And yes I think if a team would’ve accepted Walk one they would need to be employees. But they could be like typical hourly undergrads or similar.

Doesn’t matter, that genie is out of the bottle.

 

[demoncore1031]

Not sure if it was mentioned here, but UNLV also had a former 4 star RB enter the portal on the same day as Sloka. Transferred from NC State.

 

[Pope]

This mess is what happens when everyone involved in college athletics (from college presidents to AD's to coaches to players) make decisions based completely on their own self interests rather than the overall best interests of collegiate athletics.

This mess will only continue to get worse until something steps in to protect the overall welfare of college sports. That something can only be one of two things: a self governing body that fairly represents all schools, or the goverment.

I'm pretty sure it will be the latter since the obscene amount of TV network revenue has ramped up the greed factor to the point where the schools are no longer capable of governing themselves.

 

[clonedude]

This mess is what happens when everyone involved in college athletics (from college presidents to AD's to coaches to players) make decisions based completely on their own self interests rather than the overall best interests of collegiate athletics.

This mess will only continue to get worse until something steps in to protect the overall welfare of college sports. That something can only be one of two things: a self governing body that fairly represents all schools, or the goverment.

I'm pretty sure it will be the latter since the obscene amount of TV network revenue has ramped up the greed factor to the point where the schools are no longer capable of governing themselves.

The first paragraph above sums everything up about college athletics nowadays. I’ve lost so much interest.

 

[Mr Janny]

This mess is what happens when everyone involved in college athletics (from college presidents to AD's to coaches to players) make decisions based completely on their own self interests rather than the overall best interests of collegiate athletics.

This mess will only continue to get worse until something steps in to protect the overall welfare of college sports. That something can only be one of two things: a self governing body that fairly represents all schools, or the goverment.

I'm pretty sure it will be the latter since the obscene amount of TV network revenue has ramped up the greed factor to the point where the schools are no longer capable of governing themselves.

You're not wrong, but I don't understand why anyone expects this industry to be different than any other industry. Carbonated soda is a multi billion dollar industry but nobody complains about Coca-Cola only looking out for their own self interest. What we're seeing with college sports is how our economic system works. It's functioning as expected.

 

[Tailg8er]

If this is going to be the lead topic in college football from here on, I am tempted to tap out. I'll watch the NFL where the product is better. I guess I really did like the mythos of student athletes and amateur athletics. It all started downhill with runaway coaching salaries.

This isn't an airport, you don't need to announce your departure.

And college football is still a more enjoyable product IMO.

 

[3TrueFans]

You're not wrong, but I don't understand why anyone expects this industry to be different than any other industry. Carbonated soda is a multi billion dollar industry but nobody complains about Coca-Cola only looking out for their own self interest. What we're seeing with college sports is how our economic system works. It's functioning as expected.

I just want the innocent, amateur nature of college athletics, while also having every game televised, frequent stadium upgrades, an arms race of extravagant team facilities, and on site shopping and entertainment districts, is that so much to ask?

 

[SolterraCyclone]

You're not wrong, but I don't understand why anyone expects this industry to be different than any other industry. Carbonated soda is a multi billion dollar industry but nobody complains about Coca-Cola only looking out for their own self interest. What we're seeing with college sports is how our economic system works. It's functioning as expected.

The product is college football though. You’re metaphor would be if Coke fought Sprite and Cherry Coke, etc.

Imagine if Coca-Cola said “we’ll sign with you to be served at your restaurant, but don’t carry Sprite! We want all the money to go to Coke!”

 

[Pope]

You're not wrong, but I don't understand why anyone expects this industry to be different than any other industry. Carbonated soda is a multi billion dollar industry but nobody complains about Coca-Cola only looking out for their own self interest. What we're seeing with college sports is how our economic system works. It's functioning as expected.

Other industries have government regulations in effect to prevent the destruction of that industry.

Right now, there are no regulations to prevent the demise of college athletics. Greed is ruling the day and, if left unchecked, it will completely destroy college athletics.

 

[Pope]

The product is college football though. You’re metaphor would be if Coke fought Sprite and Cherry Coke, etc.

Imagine if Coca-Cola said “we’ll sign with you to be served at your restaurant, but don’t carry Sprite! We want all the money to go to Coke!”

Actually, I'm afraid that's exactly the type of business arrangement soft drink companies have with college campuses.

Many years ago when I was a student at Iowa State, the University switched from being a Pepsi campus to a Coke campus. Having an exclusive contract with Coke was more profitable for Iowa State.

As a Diet Mt Dew drinker, it was pretty traumatic for me.

 

[Mr Janny]

The product is college football though. You’re metaphor would be if Coke fought Sprite and Cherry Coke, etc.

Imagine if Coca-Cola said “we’ll sign with you to be served at your restaurant, but don’t carry Sprite! We want all the money to go to Coke!”

That's exactly what the cola wars of the 80's were about.

 

[jsb]

Maybe I’m old school on this but one of my favorite parts of college athletics was watching players/teams develop in the program over 4 years, with essentially no stress of losing them in the offseason outside of injury.

Yeah, I miss that too. It’s probably why I’ve gotten more interested in football because (so far) we’ve managed to retain football players and aren’t dependent on transfers.

But there are some good things about transfers too. It’s pretty awesome to hear and see how excited players are when they end up here. One of my favorite memories from last basketball season was Rob Jones telling Gilbert that Hilton gets louder than it did against Iowa and he was just blown away.