I think those ones can be explained reasonably. CJ saw the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to be a major contributor and moved to a smaller school. From what we've heard, Vette was homesick and is now going to a smaller school. Both of those guys seemed to recognize they fit in better at a lower level. Both players also parted ways saying that their departures had nothing to do with the coaching staff.
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I think those ones can be explained reasonably. CJ saw the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to be a major contributor and moved to a smaller school. From what we've heard, Vette was homesick and is now going to a smaller school. Both of those guys seemed to recognize they fit in better at a lower level. Both players also parted ways saying that their departures had nothing to do with the coaching staff.
I just want to know why he left, because i have a feeling that Wes will not end up saying why he left.
Good heavens...Wes will start for the first day that he;s eligible at Kentucky. That's how good he is.
I may have lost respect for how he handled things, but he still has an incredible amount of talent.
Oh yeah...don't forget that ISU also paid for the screw in his ankle--in more ways than one.
Why do people tiptoe around this and not just ask point blank? You are asking if anyone knows if Mac is racist.
So, anyone close to the situation want to answer this question or not?
My theory is that McDermott has really bad breath, and whenever he stands, hands on shoulders of the player he is tutoring, it stinks real bad.
That's hard to handle.
There, now the truth's out there.
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a point of reference... cyfan13 has enjoyed and even fed the anti-McD crowd... her methods of being vague and then reassuring us she knows what is going in this situation has her goosebumps exposed. While she has had good info and at times insight... she only lets go of it here if it follows her opinion. And this a mild dislike of the current coaching staff and the Athletic Department.
I only ask you take her thoughts/knowledge with a small grain of salt, knowing her perspective and flair.
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I only ask you take her thoughts/knowledge with a small grain of salt, knowing her perspective and flair.
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Wesley may have put a lot into this program in his two years, but the program did not benefit from the fruits of his labor to the level that is desired. That's okay, as long as he is helping move the program in a positive direction like those before him. Instead, when the program needs him most, he abandons it. Forgive me, but for all the work and effort Wes put in to it, that rather than having a positive benefit for ISU, he tore the heart out of the program.
I hope we have enough left to survive and flourish without him, but losing your best proven returning player, is not something that gives a new struggling coach a reasonable chance to succeed in a tough Big 12. Maybe Wes doesn't care about that. But a lot of good Cyclone fans do. You can understand why there is animosity toward someone that we only had a glimpse of what they were capable of, but never had a chance to harvest.
It does make us appreciate all the more those that stuck with ISU during hard times.
Wow, you misinterpreted that horribly. By no means was I insinuating that Mac was a racist. He just may not connect with black players in the way he can white players. That is why I mentioned him hiring a black coach after he lost one. That coach is there to relate to the black players. Why do you think Morgan was such a good recruiter?
Cyfan 13,
Unlike alot of the posters I was actually in Las Vegas for the tournament before Chirstmas. I do recall a heated exchange between W. Johnson and McDermott during one of the TV timemouts. There was some physical contact that was made but it appeared that after the timeout was over everything was "cool." I only mention this because a poster indicated that Wes had his mind made up since Las Vegas and this is the only "incident" that I could recall over those two games.
I certainly respect your decision to keep Wes' reasons for leaving within the basketball family. In fact I would expect that. Many fans are upset with the decision and the way in which it occurred. I hope that Wes got some good advice and thought this decision through. Sometimes the grass is greener on the other side and sometimes it is not. I certainly don't wish Wes any ill. At the same time, it will probably be a few months before I can wish him the best of luck.
Unlike alot of the posters I was actually in Las Vegas for the tournament before Chirstmas. I do recall a heated exchange between W. Johnson and McDermott during one of the TV timemouts. There was some physical contact that was made but it appeared that after the timeout was over everything was "cool." I only mention this because a poster indicated that Wes had his mind made up since Las Vegas and this is the only "incident" that I could recall over those two games.
I certainly respect your decision to keep Wes' reasons for leaving within the basketball family. In fact I would expect that. Many fans are upset with the decision and the way in which it occurred. I hope that Wes got some good advice and thought this decision through. Sometimes the grass is greener on the other side and sometimes it is not. I certainly don't wish Wes any ill. At the same time, it will probably be a few months before I can wish him the best of luck.
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I agree. I was justing saying this here on the couch. She is silent until something negative comes up, and there's an opportunity to go after Mac. I'm OK with different opinions and all, but she does seem to have a strong personal bias, and loves to stir things up.:no:
Nothing personal here. This is just what I see from what I read.
Having met the man (even before he was HC), because he was personable. The color of his skin had nothing to do with it.
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Most kids don't want to be coached. They want to be given the freedom to run and gun. Play street ball. Make SportsCenter highlights.
THE FACT IS, Wes would never have had these opportunities without GMac. And I'm guessing when GMac recruited him, he told him the style of basketball he will play. It should be no surprise to Wes that we are not an up tempo team.
You are right. I didn't mean to imply that he was only a good recruiter because he was black. He was a good guy but the fact that he was black didn't hurt in the eyes of a lot of recruits.
If the goal is to go pro, I'm not convinced that Kentucky is better than being a star at ISU. In fact I think he's better served to do his 2 remaining years here and then go pro sooner, i.e. sooner than waiting one year and then doing 2 years at KU.
And Cy13, you're more than hinting that all the defections, including this one, are about the coaching staff, and certainly you have insight into the players' thinking, and that counts for something. BUT on the other hand, I keep thinking that McD is a guy who's won everywhere he's gone. And IF Wes would have returned, he would have won at ISU next year too. (That's no knock on Rahshon and Jiri, but more about us having returning guards with experience.)
And if it's about happiness, of course he was unhappy playing hurt all year long with everyone questioning his toughness, and losing on top of that. Who wouldn't be unhappy. But that's not about ISU, it's about a broken foot. And it would've happened anywhere.
All of which makes me think this: dude, you're making a bad decision! But alas, we're all prone to thinking the grass is greener, even when it ain't.
And Cy13, you're more than hinting that all the defections, including this one, are about the coaching staff, and certainly you have insight into the players' thinking, and that counts for something. BUT on the other hand, I keep thinking that McD is a guy who's won everywhere he's gone. And IF Wes would have returned, he would have won at ISU next year too. (That's no knock on Rahshon and Jiri, but more about us having returning guards with experience.)
And if it's about happiness, of course he was unhappy playing hurt all year long with everyone questioning his toughness, and losing on top of that. Who wouldn't be unhappy. But that's not about ISU, it's about a broken foot. And it would've happened anywhere.
All of which makes me think this: dude, you're making a bad decision! But alas, we're all prone to thinking the grass is greener, even when it ain't.
i wish we would go back to the up tempo style of play that morgan had, i'm not sayin i want morgan back i just want guys like stinson, blalock, and more run and gun guys
If it's the style of play that made him leave then why did he even come here in the first place. He would have know how Mac likes to play. He came here knowing all well how Mac does things, but i guess that doesn't matter.
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