What’s the deal with this story? (Missing UI student Mollie Tibbetts)

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carvers4math

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Did the reports say when the fitbit pinged at that location? If it was last week then it might have just been while she was out jogging and before she was abducted. If it pinged after her disappearance then this is probably at least helpful in telling investigators where she or at least the fitbit went after she was reported missing. Not much of a lead but it's something to follow, I guess.

I have seen conflicting reports on when it pinged on social media. Hard to tell what is fact or speculation.

If there is really no evidence there, it could be good that she either wasn’t there or left there alive, could be bad with the whole hog situation. Even then unless they were just not accurate on Bones, you might eventually get some evidence from the hogs.
 

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I have seen conflicting reports on when it pinged on social media. Hard to tell what is fact or speculation.

If there is really no evidence there, it could be good that she either wasn’t there or left there alive, could be bad with the whole hog situation. Even then unless they were just not accurate on Bones, you might eventually get some evidence from the hogs.
DSM Rag says, . "Mortvedt says today they followed up on some information which lead them to search a pig farm in Guernsey, but the search ended with nothing fruitful."

Question? How could it not be fruitful? Says she was there. (Or, else these pings don't mean anything.) Either way it is knowledge.
 
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DSM Rag says, . "Mortvedt says today they followed up on some information which lead them to search a pig farm in Guernsey, but the search ended with nothing fruitful."

Question? How could it not be fruitful? Says she was there. (Or, else these pings don't mean anything.) Either way it is knowledge.

Made it sound like that search was from a tip not from any electronic device signal.
 

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Keep in mind that a Fitbit is the kind of thing that would be tossed early in a kidnapping, if that is what being speculated. It's not like it's a secret they carry location data.

But finding it can provide clues what ultimately we are dealing with here.
 

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Keep in mind that a Fitbit is the kind of thing that would be tossed early in a kidnapping, if that is what being speculated. It's not like it's a secret they carry location data.

But finding it can provide clues what ultimately we are dealing with here.
I imagine a vast majority of people don't know it carries location data.
 

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The rumor mills are running rampant.

I heard one story from someone who knows someone that knows someone where the media is being given false info to keep them at bay for the time being. The gps on the phone was disabled but the Fitbit was fould laying next to the phone. No remains were found. Farmer was a 58 year old single guy. Investigators are fearful this may not be the only incident.

People are strange. I hope the guy that knew the guy that told my family member this story is full of it. I don't know why you would start a rumor like that though because it is really disgusting if concocted.

On something 100% verified, a co-worker of my wife lives in Brooklyn. On the night of the disappearance her and her husband were at the gas station. There was a couple men in the store acting very strange. My wife's co-worker took a picture of the license plate and provided that to authorities after this young lady was reported missing. They are investigating that also but have not disclosed anything.

I just keep hoping for the best. Stay vigilant and safe!
 
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I disagree. I'd guess most know it does, especially those who are involved in kidnapping humans for a living.

I doubt most people know what all a fitbit does. America is fat and lazy. I'd agree most involved in human trafficking know to get rid of it, but that makes up such a minuscule percentage of the population.
 

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I doubt most people know what all a fitbit does. America is fat and lazy. I'd agree most involved in human trafficking know to get rid of it, but that makes up such a minuscule percentage of the population.

I would imagine there could be two different kinds of kidnappers/scenarios here...one type that's just out to do damage and doesn't know or care whether she's wearing a Fitbit, much less what that Fitbit is capable of. On the other hand you'd assume someone who kidnaps for the purposes of trafficking would be more sophisticated and pay attention to those things to avoid getting caught.

If it's just some local weirdo it strikes me as entirely possible they have no idea how the Fitbit works. Hell, I used to wear one and I'm pretty sure mine didn't track location data, and if I'm wrong and it did track that I have no idea how it would communicate that to Fitbit servers without syncing to my phone. Until this thread I didn't know modern Fitbits did that at all.
 

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Some activity trackers have GPS built in to aid in tracking location of your activity. Both Fitbit and Garmin have models with this capability built in - Garmin has had the capability for a while, while Fitbit introduced models with the feature more recently.

Having a GPS receiver does NOT mean the device can share your location. The activities (steps, activity duration, location, heart rate, etc.) are stored on the device. The device requires a companion "smart" device to sync activities with the cloud (i.e. accounts on Fitbit or Garmin servers).

This is commonly done by pairing the phone/tablet/computer with the device via Bluetooth. If the device is paired with a "smart" device, the app on the phone/tablet/computer can pull activity information from the wearable. At that point if the "smart" device is also connected to the Internet, it can share the activity information with whatever cloud service there happens to be. In most cases, the user is required to manually sync the devices - BT operation is a larger power draw and is not commonly in use during an activity. Other use cases can be created for periodic sync of data, but this is commonly not the default.

These activity tracker devices are small and have a relatively small battery. Power required to "phone home" directly over the Internet from the device (via cellular service) would certainly limit the run time and hence usefulness of the device. There are "asset tracker" type devices out there that do offer this capability, but they currently aren't in the wearable space.

I don't believe for a second the Fitbit device in this case was "pinged". If they have her phone and walk around with it, the Fitbit may automatically pair with the phone when both devices are in close enough proximity (this is an assumption on the Fitbit pairing operation). This would also imply law enforcement has her phone and could unlock and use it in this manner for this purpose. If the Fitbit is lying somewhere, it's not capable of sharing its location on its own.

Law enforcement can certainly get the Fitbit data to analyze her preferred running routes and see if there is a pattern to her preferred activity time, etc. I can imagine this would be helpful info when talking with witnesses or corroborating witness accounts. The can also possibly piece together where she went in the area - a location she would frequent that may not be well known to family or friends for example. Not speculating this is the the case for this person, but sometimes people have secrets that this data could reveal. Also depending on the last sync of the device with Fitbit services, they may be able to establish her whereabouts and have a better idea of when she went missing - was it in the evening or the morning of the following day? All this does depend on when the last sync with the "smart" device took place and if it shared it with the cloud services.
 

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I disagree. I'd guess most know it does, especially those who are involved in kidnapping humans for a living.

I assumed most would have know based on the national stories that broke earlier this year about fitbits and garmin unknowingly disclosing the location of military bases. Front line troops were using their devices to track their runs. Those runs were then auto-shared (if they didn't turn that feature off when deployed) to their mapping features which showed common running routes (heatmaps). You would look at these maps and random mountain locations in Afghanistan for example that would have a dense population of runners.

It was a pretty big deal in the fitness &/or military community anyway.
 

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...Law enforcement can certainly get the Fitbit data to analyze her preferred running routes and see if there is a pattern to her preferred activity time, etc. I can imagine this would be helpful info when talking with witnesses or corroborating witness accounts. The can also possibly piece together where she went in the area - a location she would frequent that may not be well known to family or friends for example. Not speculating this is the the case for this person, but sometimes people have secrets that this data could reveal. Also depending on the last sync of the device with Fitbit services, they may be able to establish her whereabouts and have a better idea of when she went missing - was it in the evening or the morning of the following day? All this does depend on when the last sync with the "smart" device took place and if it shared it with the cloud services.

There's been quotes that this is exactly what they hope to gain from the Fitbit information. A history, not a current location.
 

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I assumed most would have know based on the national stories that broke earlier this year about fitbits and garmin unknowingly disclosing the location of military bases. Front line troops were using their devices to track their runs. Those runs were then auto-shared (if they didn't turn that feature off when deployed) to their mapping features which showed common running routes (heatmaps). You would look at these maps and random mountain locations in Afghanistan for example that would have a dense population of runners.

It was a pretty big deal in the fitness &/or military community anyway.

The national story was about how Strava, a fitness app, has a feature that shows the most popular running / biking routes based on user data (Strava refers to them as Heatmaps). Many people in the running / biking community use this app.
 

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