What’s wrong with the offense?

[madguy30]

One reporter did - asking if he would like that play back and he said they simply didn’t execute but like the theory/thought behind the call. Unbelievable.

3rd and short I'm good with it since it was different but 3rd and 10 you get it to Higgins and let him fall forward for the 1st.

 

[acoustimac]

I think you're confusing a couple plays. The QB keeper was out by the 35 yard line. We got into position for a 50+ yard FG in the rain. After the false start by the goal line, we got down to the 2 or 3 and then ran an awful pass with only one receiver.

The two point conversion was wide open. Rocco just didn't pull the trigger. That play was a headscratcher from Rocco.

The false start at the 1 was the most pivotal play of the game, but it feels like people are forgetting about Burkle's fumble. We finally had some rhythm and momentum, and we were potentially going to go up 20-10. Once TT scored again, our ******** puckered up.

You're probably right, I just remember Rocco going to his right from about the 7 (I thought it was in the series after the false start at the one) with nearly no blocking into a crowd of Techsters.

 

[NebrClone]

Illegal procedure penalties. Ineligible receiver penalties. Those stopped our drives. Rocco was off a bit. Even so, we had the win f we stopped Tech on that last drive. This was a total team loss.

Rocco's pff was below 50, was way off.

 

[OscarBerkshire]

Butler Lazard Deshaunte Montgomery Breece Purdy

Who from the past would you rather have?

Yes, the absolute best players Campbell has ever produced would all be good on this roster too (I especially think a bell cow RB would be excellent for this team, which is why they need to stick with Hansen imo). However, that is a stupid way to look at it. The average talent level at all positions is higher than ever (especially up front offensively). There is no excuse especially when the schedule is this weak.

 

[stewart092284]

Brahmer being out had a huge impact in this game. He is so much more explosive than our other TEs.

The 3rd and 10 QB run call was unforgivable, but the 4th and 2 play where Rocco missed a well covered Higgins on the outside was also a head scratcher. So many ways to attack the middle of the field there.

Also, Hufford at center had two extremely costly ineligible man downfield penalties that erased big pass plays in the red zone. Watch the film and he’s just undisciplined. He snaps the ball and fires out to the 2nd level 4-5 yards downfield immediately.

Dude, that's an RPO. That's literally the "run" part of the play. Its impossible to tell a linemen you're job is both

"get to the linebacker " and ALSO " don't get to the linebacker.

That's LITERALLY every uncovered offensive linemen's job in an RPO offense.

It has nothing to do with discipline. It has everything to do with timing being off. Either in his head or Rocco held onto the ball a second or two too long or made a bad read or TT covered it up well, etc... its why every single play isn't an RPO because its hella hard to get the timing down just right

 

[jsb]

One reporter did - asking if he would like that play back and he said they simply didn’t execute but like the theory/thought behind the call. Unbelievable.

He also said they'd obviously like it back. And that on first thought he thought the execution was the issue, but they will go back and it could very well be the play was the issue.

What was he supposed to say?

 

[jsb]

Disagree. Rocco makes some incredible throws. He has a good handle of the offense and is a good leader. But his confidence goes in and out. And right now, he's not feeling secure in the pocket because he isn't. When he has time, there are few QBs in the country as good as Rocco.

He's also only a sophomore that is half way through his second season.

 

[stewart092284]

Thats the root cause.
But the response to that- bring in more TEs, ie the CMC response. Thats what killed them - again.

That made the entire offense super easy to defend. Tech just brought more guys to the box, so you still had pressure, but now you cant run it either.

CMC has done this for years, and its just never worked. How he hasnt seen that and come up with Plan B (screens? Spread out field and run? Draw plays?) Is absolutely beyond me.

Guys, formations and TE's aren't the problem.

If they were, the option would NEVER work, the Wing T would not still be a thing, even at the high school level, and Iowa could play the deaf, dumb and blind and still only win 1 game if it was about formations.

Its - not to sound like a motion of the ocean saying - how you use them.

Having 3 Tight ends is fine.
Having 5 wide receivers, is also, fine.
As is everywhere in between.

Throw it 50 times a game, I don't care. Throw it twice. IDC.

Both have won (and lost) a lot of football games over the years.

But the ones that win the most are the ones that have built in protections, and ones that tell the defense "you didn't see what your eyes just told your brain what they saw".

Those are the great offenses. Its not about #s in the box, per say, though that does muddy it for the offense.

Its about an ability to make the defense think you're playing checkers, while playing chess. Or vice versea. That's what makes Heacock great.

 

[clonedude]

He also said they'd obviously like it back. And that on first thought he thought the execution was the issue, but they will go back and it could very well be the play was the issue.

What was he supposed to say?

He basically said they were positioning the ball for the FG attempt... and if they happened to get a 1st down (or close enough to consider going for it on 4th down) then great. But they were basically setting up for the FG.

 

[jsb]

He basically said they were positioning the ball for the FG attempt... and if they happened to get a 1st down (or close enough to consider going for it on 4th down) then great. But they were basically setting up for the FG.

Maybe. We all hear what we want to hear. I thought he did leave it open to it being a bad call.

 

[clonedude]

Maybe. We all hear what we want to hear. I thought he did leave it open to it being a bad call.

I agree with you on that. I think he did leave it somewhat open to changing his mind on it and coming out on Tuesday and saying it was a bad play call.

 

[jsb]

I agree with you on that. I think he did leave it somewhat open to changing his mind on it and coming out on Tuesday and saying it was a bad play call.

I doubt he comes out and says anything about it. But the fact that he left it open is a tell in my opinion. How many times has he (and frankly every coach) come out and say they got exactly what they wanted? It happens a ton.

So my guess is that the quote was Campbell-speak for not being thrilled with the play.

 

[clones_jer]

Dude, that's an RPO. That's literally the "run" part of the play. Its impossible to tell a linemen you're job is both

"get to the linebacker " and ALSO " don't get to the linebacker.

That's LITERALLY every uncovered offensive linemen's job in an RPO offense.

It has nothing to do with discipline. It has everything to do with timing being off. Either in his head or Rocco held onto the ball a second or two too long or made a bad read or TT covered it up well, etc... its why every single play isn't an RPO because its hella hard to get the timing down just right

oh come on. you can count the number of illegal man downfield penalties called across college football in a weekend on two hands. for a senior lineman to blame it on "a run/pass option" is stupid as hell. he was shooting out to the linebacker with purpose each time and it was obvious as hell for the ref. if that's something our lineman are confused about our line coaching is garbage.

 

[clones_jer]

oh, and if I never see a Power I formation again I'll sleep peacefully. worked twice against North Dakota and Mouser thinks he rediscovered the wheel. smfh.

 

[CascadeClone]

Which has predictive value, but which is NOT a certain thing.

In fairness, CMC did get the special teams issues sorted.

Took like 5 years, but finally got the emphasis requires.

 

[Inthesystem]

I would like to have seen a screen pass or two.

 

[clonehome]

Dude, that's an RPO. That's literally the "run" part of the play. Its impossible to tell a linemen you're job is both

"get to the linebacker " and ALSO " don't get to the linebacker.

That's LITERALLY every uncovered offensive linemen's job in an RPO offense.

It has nothing to do with discipline. It has everything to do with timing being off. Either in his head or Rocco held onto the ball a second or two too long or made a bad read or TT covered it up well, etc... its why every single play isn't an RPO because its hella hard to get the timing down just right

Nah. Sure it’s an RPO but the uncovered linemen can’t sprint 5 yards downfield that quickly. That makes it a running play. Hufford was upfield both times before Rocco could even make a read.

 

[nrg4isu]

Nah. Sure it’s an RPO but the uncovered linemen can’t sprint 5 yards downfield that quickly. That makes it a running play. Hufford was upfield both times before Rocco could even make a read.

Is it possible that Rocco should have taken the run option on both of those? From Huffords standpoint he had to have thought "holy crap, if I'm untouched, there's a huge running lane behind me".

I haven't rewatched the game, so maybe situationally it shouldn't have been run. But if that's the case it's probably more on mouser. Again just wondering out loud here.

 

[stewart092284]

I’d have to go watch again but it looked to me their LBs mostly shadowed and came after Rocco was flushed out of pocket by front 4, which was pretty much right away the whole game.

Agree they brought pressure but it was routinely their front 4 that was getting to Rocco early.

 

[AuH2O]

Is it possible that Rocco should have taken the run option on both of those? From Huffords standpoint he had to have thought "holy crap, if I'm untouched, there's a huge running lane behind me".

I haven't rewatched the game, so maybe situationally it shouldn't have been run. But if that's the case it's probably more on mouser. Again just wondering out loud here.

That’s not how it works. If the throw is there you pull it and throw. And that was the right read. And it’s not a thing for the C to analyze, nor is this something difficult. Teams do this constantly. If you are an OL whose block is going to be at the second level and he’s got that much depth you can’t just go downfield that far right at the snap.

HS OL can execute screens, which are harder to execute than being uncovered on an RPO.