What does Rhoads have to do?

[Frak]

I don't care how he does it, 5 wins at this point and he's rallied the team and deserves to stay. I thought 5 would keep him here before the season and I still do. Now, 5 is tougher than it was. 4 wins was always my sticking point. You're doubling the total from last year and that's great, but it's still a crappy season. Gotta start with KU. TT doesn't look all that easy now. Auto-losses to Baylor, TCU and OU...better keep them within 40. Then pick up UT and KSU.

Honestly, if they end the season with wins over UNI, KU, UT, KSU I'm probably on board with keeping CPR. Still a really bad season, but it's a nice improvement. I do think that they've got their eval problems figured out and both the O and D are turning around. If you add a TT or OSU to the group above, it's a no brainer. I just think that coaching changes are a huge pain. You get kids transferring, recruits decommitting, then the growing pains with a new system. It sucks all the way around.

That all said, I would bet money that ISU ends up either 2-10 or 3-9 and the whole thing's moot.

 

[dmclone]

From what I've seen so far, I don't see this team winning more than 2 conference games at best. What's really sad about that is that I think there are a lot of crappy teams this year in the Big 12. If the team can win 4 conference games I think PR should keep his job.

 

[klamath632]

What does Rhoads have to do?

Probably buy some groceries, do some laundry. He was busy this weekend and needs to catch up.

 

[CyBobby]

This one is easy..........NO Bowl Game...NO Coach Paul Rhoads!!


Rhoads Must GO

 

[BigJ4CY]

Unfortunately unless we get WAAAAY better on the field we won't be seeing a bowl game anytime soon with the schedule that we play. To have any realistic chance to get to a bowl game with 9 conference games we need to win every non-conference game every year and we need to be able to beat three or 4 Big12 teams. The three conference wins I think are attainable if we can keep up with the rest of the conference in recruiting talent, development and on field performance (can't keep shooting ourselves in the foot like we did at Toledo). I think 4 or more is a huge leap that I don't see us making anytime in the near future.

 

[AllN4Cy]

First, he needs to start Lanning. Richardson isn't going to get it done, and doesn't offer any value next year. Get Lanning experience so that we have that positive heading into next year.

Second, the defense needs to continue playing well all year. We cannot have 65-3 blowouts in any games this year.

Third, I want to see 3 Big XII wins. I realize we only get to 4 total, but next year we would have a returning QB with Big XII experience and wins, a very solid defense, and experience all over the field. There would be a very good potential for a great season next year. Also, there are easily 3 wins available in the Big XII. Not being able to get those clearly would demonstrate that the coaches aren't able to properly prepare a good game plan, and/or motivate the team. Let's look at the Big XII:

- Kansas: probably the worst team Paul Rhoads has ever faced
- Texas Tech: terrible defense; we should be able to win this game if our defense plays as it has so far this year
- Texas: Not a good football team; good talent, but bad team; no reason we can't win
- Oklahoma: 99% chance of loss
- TCU: 99% chance of loss
- Baylor: 99% chance of loss
- Kansas State: another winnable game; they have done nothing yet indicating they are even above average
- Oklahoma State: 75% chance of loss; not the same caliber as the top 3, but likely not winnable for us
- West Virginia: 75% chance of loss; not the same caliber as the top 3, but likely not winnable for us

That's 4 winnable games and two games that given good motivation and game planning have an outside chance. I need to see Lanning, 3 big XII wins, and no blowouts for me to continue supporting this coaching staff and to have hope that next year will potentially be a big improvement.

 

[isufbcurt]

Unrealistic at this point, but 7-6 with a bowl win would get me there. Six additional wins requires beating at least 4 teams with a pulse, possibly a couple of them top 25 teams. And it'd be a 5-4 Big 12 mark. It would (temporarily) restore my patience/hope.

However — I think I stated this in another thread — to me, it’s getting to a point when what’s necessary for Rhoads to show he can rebuild the momentum almost requires results that are unrealistic to attain in the short-term (such as the scenario above).

Suppose 2015 is another 5-win or worse season. That follows a 5-19 stretch that came after fizzling at the end of what probably should’ve been at least an 8-win season.

To make up ground, we almost need to see 9-4 in 2016, which he hasn’t sniffed for the most part — and then another winning season, at minimum. But if '17 ends up 6-7 or lower, you start thinking it’ll be 7 years between .500 years, perpetually.

9 wins has been done ONCE in the history of ISU football.

 

[weR138]

- Kansas State: another winnable game; they have done nothing yet indicating they are even above average

PR can't beat good KSU teams and he can't beat average KSU teams. KSU is a 99% lock for a loss.

 

[AllN4Cy]

PR can't beat good KSU teams and he can't beat average KSU teams. KSU is a 99% lock for a loss.

History has proven you to be correct. My point is, KSU is a winnable game. If Rhoads finds a way to beat them, then it will provide me with some encouragement. However, KSU is a great example of a team with similar talent that finds a way to win more often than lose, and it's because the system being used, and the methods being coached, work.

 

[Spam]

9 wins has been done ONCE in the history of ISU football.

Apparently it was done another time- in 1906!

But yes, our football history is quite dismal.

 

[stateofmind]

Since he is obviously done this year by many of you no matter what, I hope he can miraculously beat OU and KSU to say that he beat every team he ever faced at least once. History shows us that ISU has won that impossible game a couple times, and CPR did it a couple of times.

 

[CycloneErik]

Since he is obviously done this year by many of you no matter what, I hope he can miraculously beat OU and KSU to say that he beat every team he ever faced at least once. History shows us that ISU has won that impossible game a couple times, and CPR did it a couple of times.

But those wins happened with teams populated by talent from the Chizik years. When they left, so did the impossible wins.

 

[Gunnerclone]

History has proven you to be correct. My point is, KSU is a winnable game. If Rhoads finds a way to beat them, then it will provide me with some encouragement. However, KSU is a great example of a team with similar talent that finds a way to win more often than lose, and it's because the system being used, and the methods being coached, work.

"winnable game" is winnable! rep for buzz phrase! It's a game that we will likely lose but have a small chance of pulling off a major upset. Pre-season is over, the hype train is derailed, you can cut the media buzz phrases now.

 

[stateofmind]

But those wins happened with teams populated by talent from the Chizik years. When they left, so did the impossible wins.

You list the talent left by Chizik and I believe that we have more talent now. Not really a metric that's easy to quantify I know.

 

[CycloneErik]

You list the talent left by Chizik and I believe that we have more talent now. Not really a metric that's easy to quantify I know.

Well, look at the guys in the NFL. Notice that hasn't been happening with CPR guys.
I look at the wins, and I notice that hasn't been happening with CPR guys.
Without going name by name, that's pretty much all I need to see. Talent and winning are related, and since the head coach isn't a variable in this equation, it doesn't seem out of line to believe that the talent on the field has declined.

 

[IowaRealEstate]

I will pledge to donate at the highest level next year right now IF coach gets fired. See, we are making a dent in that buyout already!!!

 

[Wesley]

Unfortunately unless we get WAAAAY better on the field we won't be seeing a bowl game anytime soon with the schedule that we play. To have any realistic chance to get to a bowl game with 9 conference games we need to win every non-conference game every year and we need to be able to beat three or 4 Big12 teams. The three conference wins I think are attainable if we can keep up with the rest of the conference in recruiting talent, development and on field performance (can't keep shooting ourselves in the foot like we did at Toledo). I think 4 or more is a huge leap that I don't see us making anytime in the near future.

Put that way, we will not be bowling anytime soon. Oh for three years back.

 

[Wesley]

Well, look at the guys in the NFL. Notice that hasn't been happening with CPR guys.
I look at the wins, and I notice that hasn't been happening with CPR guys.
Without going name by name, that's pretty much all I need to see. Talent and winning are related, and since the head coach isn't a variable in this equation, it doesn't seem out of line to believe that the talent on the field has declined.

Have to say the talent is less the last three years than his first three years. The record is a leading indicator.

 

[Beyerball]

Next year we wiill have a whole new oline to worry about....we will be young

Philbert, Dagel and Campos all return. Hopefully a year in rehab and training will get Scoggins ready as well. So we do t lose entire Oline. We will prob bring in at least 1-2 JUCO Oline as well. Toledo lost their entire Oline and they beat us.

 

[stateofmind]

Have to say the talent is less the last three years than his first three years. The record is a leading indicator.

Well, he was 3-1 in the non-con that year. Beating NDSU, Kent State, and Army, and a 35-3 loss to Iowa. I'm guessing that Toledo will be better than either KS or Army. Both ISU and Baylor beat Kent State that year, and ISU beat Baylor. So the record thing is not a strong argument.

I'm still not sure if 2009 had better talent than the 2015 squad. Time will tell. When I look at the WRs, and Mike Warren I'm pretty impressed. Throw in a healthy Burton, and Campos and that is some quality talent. Of these five, I would guess they will all get a shot at the NFL.

As for the defense, I would put Kamari, Demond Tucker, and a couple others up there with chances. Too early to tell with Jhaustin or Jordan.

I get that we should be 3-0 right now for people to have hope. But I think CPR has made some amends, (Mess for Mangino), and is turning the proverbial corner, but it's hard to argue that when we just lost to Toledo and Iowa, although they both are receiving votes...