When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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I also had a very long post where I pointed out the actual negatives (not the irrational fears). I think you even clicked like or agree on it. Then you flipped out on me and said I completely ignored any negatives, I’m done trying to share actual real world experience with you from a place where myself and everybody around me is already basically living in the future. It’s there for you if you want to read it with an open mind.
We've had a Rav4 Prime since summer 2022 and love it. Only use gas on road trips and it's been a very good family vehicle for us. Comfortable for up to 4 adults, maybe a little tight if they're really tall, with still decent cargo in the back.
Toyota is introducing a Grand Rav 4 this fall, which will be 7 inches longer with more storage.
I'm considering upgrading from my 22 Stanley Steamer. It still gets close to 300 miles on a tank of water, but kerosene prices are completely out of control.
On a serious note, a guy down the street got a W/T version of the Silverado EV. Lot of money just to get into the game.
On a serious note, a guy down the street got a W/T version of the Silverado EV. Lot of money just to get into the game.
I think full size truck EVs are at a similar point now to where typical commuter cars and sedans were just before Tesla Model 3 came out (2017). We had some great EVs before 2017 but they were all on the high priced luxury end or really small low range stuff like the Leaf.
Small pickups aren't even to that point yet because there really aren't many (any?) of them and even this new low priced low end "Slate" thing is a year away. I think at some point there will be a model of both a full size truck and a smaller pickup where the price, fuel price advantage and range are goldilocks zone the way Model 3 was. I've really never seen any car explode in popularity the way around 2018 suddenly every new car in socal was a Model 3, it just was a great value (especially when gas prices spiked) and there hadn't been something like it at that price. Of course now model 3 and model Y have a bunch of competition but they really didn't in the US for a few years.
Agreed. Imagine if Ford had an electric Maverick that had the smaller form factor and thus a smaller battery and lower price point. Ford did a great thing by making the Lightning look like a regular F150. The Silverado has more or less followed suit. To get traditional truck buyers to consider electric models it has to stick close to the original formula. The Cybertruck is a party trick. No one who really uses their Ram 2500 is buying a Cybertruck. To your point, I think that's why the Model 3 was such a hit. They got the size, performance and price point correct to get it into more hands. The Model S is physically larger than it's proportions suggest and it was spendy. The Leaf, Bolt and even the early Prius models all look like doofy little spaceships which made them tough cross shop against contemporaries like the Corolla and Cruze. The Model 3 could get a look next to Camrys and Accords on the low end and compete with BMWs and Audis on the high end.
I'm not a fan of the unibody design of the Maverick. Without a separate truck box it looks more like an El Camino than an actual truck to me.
I had a Ranger 25-30 years ago and I used the heck out of that bed. You know what they say about pickups - if you have a pickup so does everyone you know.
Ford Lightning is almost like to trucks what the original Tesla Roadster was to sports cars. Both were very smart that way I think and their legacy to evolving the tech will be greater than the actual sales #s. The one thing you absolutely can't have is people thinking it's weak and slow, that's a very wild misconception but it was definitely there for a while. I think like 90% of people now realize that but it was 17 years ago Tesla Roadster really dispelled that so look how long it can take.
Does the lightening come in different models? Like a 1/2 t or 3/4T? Yes i could google but being lazy.
No. Towing capacity is the major setback on EV trucks when comparing to ICE trucks. So it's still perfect for 90% of people who own trucks.
Standard is 7700lbs and max is 10000 lbs.
I'm a car guy. I just don't want to live with a BOF truck. The Maverick makes a little more sense for me, but it's still not what I want. They have, however, been quite a sales success. Certainly a chance that paid off for Ford. The Ranger is the artist who wasn't fully celebrated until after his death
Where Tesla really won big is betting that instant torque turned up to sports car levels will bring people in. The Prius served it's purpose, but it was never an engaging experience. Couple power with a tech synonymous branding and you have the rise of Tesla in a nutshell. That's over simplifying of course, but they made electric sexy. They approached the problem from a different angle. The question is whether or not they can keep tweaking the formula enough to keep their crown
Also, I know I keep using the Prius as an analogue, but it was the hybrid that walked so full electrics could run.
Actually my XLT with the standard range battery only tows 5000. Biggest issue ive had so far
Less than mid-size trucks. They range from 6000 to 7200.
Keep in mind that I have no clue what I'm talking about.....
I wonder if they think it's just a no win on building trucks that can pull a large amount of weight?
Towing has a huge impact on range, people that pull large amounts are used to having 400+ mile range from their Diesel or Gas pickups. To get this same range with a BEV, the weight of the vehicle would be obscene. in addition cost. Some of the Rivians can pull 10,000 pounds, but when they do the range goes down to 150 miles(1/2).
75% of pickup owners tow 1 time or less per year. If you built what is described above, it would be a waste 99% of the time for the 75% of owners.
I wonder if they think it's just a no win on building trucks that can pull a large amount of weight?
Towing has a huge impact on range, people that pull large amounts are used to having 400+ mile range from their Diesel or Gas pickups. To get this same range with a BEV, the weight of the vehicle would be obscene. in addition cost. Some of the Rivians can pull 10,000 pounds, but when they do the range goes down to 150 miles(1/2).
75% of pickup owners tow 1 time or less per year. If you built what is described above, it would be a waste 99% of the time for the 75% of owners.
To get a 300 mile range from the rivian:
To get 300 miles of towing range at 10,000 lbs, a Rivian would likely need a battery that's ~2,700 lbs heavier than the current one, for a total battery weight of ~4,500+ lbs.
Would you like a visual chart or alternative like using a trailer with its own battery (e.g., Range Extending Trailer)?
FOR COMPARISON
| Battery Pack Size | Towing Range | Battery Weight | Additional Weight |
|---|---|---|---|
| 135 kWh (stock) | ~150 mi | ~1,800 lbs | – |
| 337.5 kWh (theoretical) | ~300 mi | ~4,486 lbs | +~2,686 lbs |
Caveats
- A 337.5 kWh battery would be massive—larger than any currently used in passenger EVs.
- The added weight would reduce towing efficiency, so in reality, you might need even more than 337.5 kWh.
- Structural limits and packaging constraints would likely make it impractical in current R1T form.
Final Answer:
To get 300 miles of towing range at 10,000 lbs, a Rivian would likely need a battery that's ~2,700 lbs heavier than the current one, for a total battery weight of ~4,500+ lbs.Would you like a visual chart or alternative like using a trailer with its own battery (e.g., Range Extending Trailer)?
FOR COMPARISON
| Powertrain | Fuel Tank Size | Avg MPG (Towing 10k lbs) | Estimated Range |
|---|---|---|---|
| 3.5L EcoBoost V6 | 36 gallons | ~7–9 MPG | 250–325 miles |
| 5.0L V8 | 26–36 gallons | ~6–8 MPG | 200–290 miles |
| 3.5L PowerBoost Hybrid | 30.6 gallons | ~8–10 MPG | 245–305 miles |
100% agree, they flipped that perception 180 degrees. Instead of the underpowered, slow, unsexy car for wienerless wimps, they made EVs into instant-acceleration rocket sleds that even motorheads could look at and say "the 0-60 time is WHAT?!?!"
I don't think many people now are hesitating to buy an EV because they think it threatens their manhood - like buying a minivan maybe. Now it's just range anxiety, maybe battery life concerns, etc. Which is a lot less emotional and can be overcome with education and time.
That and the early Prius was f'n ugly, and also driven by hairy women. The tech was cool but the delivery package left a lot to be desired.
