When should boys start school?

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How many kids do you have in daycare?

Two. We're considering the redshirt year for both. Luckily we have time to make a decision, but the 3 yr old really did advance quickly when the older kids cleared out of his class.

To redshirt them both puts us on the hook for at least $36k without any tuition increases.

I'm also an older parent. Without sounding too dark, having them graduate from college before I expire isn't off of the radar either.
 

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Two. We're considering the redshirt year for both. Luckily we have time to make a decision, but the 3 yr old really did advance quickly when the older kids cleared out of his class.

To redshirt them both puts us on the hook for at least $36k without any tuition increases.

I'm also an older parent. Without sounding too dark, having them graduate from college before I expire isn't off of the radar either.
I do recommend the K prep or whatever others call it. It would be a bridge between and ours was half days so the 18 could drop probably 6-9k pending the situation.
 

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If a person uses that as the reason, I want them to say to themselves, I’m going to send my kid early so they can work more. Then they can think about that. To me, using that as a reason is a horrible reason.

I thought Covid taught us one thing, enjoy life. Finding a way for our kids to work more doesn’t seem to follow that idea.
Whatever. I’m not advocating a position. People can do what they want. Choices either way have potential consequences. I held mine back but I don’t give a **** what someone else chooses. Sorry I pointed this out.
 

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Jan 21 here.

plan is start K at 5 1/2 and he'll be 6 midway through.

I don't want a 19 year old senior if I held him one more year..lol
Jan 21 is a really excellent day to be born. :D

As for my boys -
Older son was late December. He started on time, was 18 when he graduated.
Younger son was end of July. He started on time, was 17 when he graduated.

I don't regret starting the younger one when I did - both boys were in excellent preschools and knew all their letters and numbers. They were capable of simple addition (1+1=2...) and could read the "**** & Jane" type books before entering kindergarten.

Younger son was faster to mature physically but slower emotionally. However, he was ahead of his class in learning and not challenged at all by his schoolwork...didn't do homework but aced his tests, not a good combination. If I had held him back, he would have been even more bored.

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It's incredibly annoying that this platform censors "D... and Jane".
 

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Just curious what CF parents have decided. Thinking about it a bit early but will have this decision.


It's interesting to see that late in the article, it notes that even when boys were "redshirted", the girls still did better academically. So, holding the boys back a year didn't seem to accomplish much, by the boy:girl maturity measure.

I'm old enough that pre-school wasn't a thing, and being held back" was a very negative stigma. I have a spring birthday, so that alone wouldn't be a reason for a delayed start today. Academically, AP classes weren't available, graduating "early" wasn't allowed, and I was bored a great deal of the time and especially as a HS Senior. On occasions I was allowed to "work ahead", BUT then had to take the same classwork a second time with the rest of the class. The point of that is, my study habits were negatively affected, and that became a problem early in my college career when academics stepped up in difficulty, along with opportunities to be distracted by the freedoms of collegiate life. Today, observing your child in pre-school objectively should give you a good indication of whether he's sufficiently mature to do well academically.

And what's the objective of academics: preparation for life, or score-keeping with other parents? It's a small sample, but every individual that I hired fresh from college, a number with Masters, all stated that they learned more from 6 months of employment than in their 4 to 7 years of college. It's extremely important to get an education, but that's a means, not an end, For most people, excluding professional students.

On the flip side, physically our family is a group of "late growers": I was the smallest male in my HS class as a Junior, above average height at graduation, and when finished growing after my soph year in college I was one of the tallest in any room. If you have hopes that your child will be an athletic star, and your fam,ily genes similarly suggest growing later than average, maybe "red shirting" is the way to go.

BUT, "red shirting" was extremely common for alleged athletic advantages by the time our children entered school, a well-respected metro school in a community with household incomes well above median. In each child's class, ONE individual got a DI scholarship, and none were due to the alleged advantage from red-shirting. Some did better when younger, but classmates caught up and they went from junior high star to meh, at that wasn't a good thing for many.

Look at the ISU athletes, or DI overall, do the math: pretty low odds of winning the golden ticket, vs getting through school and on with life.

After all, isn't that the point of parenting, successfully transitioning your child to self-sufficient adulthood?

Parenting is tough: do-overs generally aren't allowed. Do what YOU think is best, be loving and supportive while allowing for some personal failure for its teaching moments, and I'm betting on your success.
 

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The boy/girl speed of academics……. I remember seeing a video that talked about how men and women conceptualize things differently. One project was, they have a few trials of each where they had someone open a trunk and take a look at it for like 30 seconds. They then left and the trunk was unloaded. The person was brought back and they had so many minutes to reload the trunk. It was full and packed pretty tight so it was going to take work. Men performed the task nearly every time better than the woman that they competed with.

They then changed it one way and the women routinely out performed the men.

Now, with most of the elementary teachers I know being female, are processes and procedures formed and written that would be more conducive to women learning as that is what their mostly female teachers deem as the logical ways to attack the process? No idea, just spitballing.
 

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Sort of related to this is there an upper maximum on when you can start a kid in kindergarten? Like does it become truancy at some point if someone wants until 7 or 8? I know on the lower end for preschool the informal bar is being potty trained.

6 in WI.
 

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It's interesting to see that late in the article, it notes that even when boys were "redshirted", the girls still did better academically. So, holding the boys back a year didn't seem to accomplish much, by the boy:girl maturity measure.

I'm old enough that pre-school wasn't a thing, and being held back" was a very negative stigma. I have a spring birthday, so that alone wouldn't be a reason for a delayed start today. Academically, AP classes weren't available, graduating "early" wasn't allowed, and I was bored a great deal of the time and especially as a HS Senior. On occasions I was allowed to "work ahead", BUT then had to take the same classwork a second time with the rest of the class. The point of that is, my study habits were negatively affected, and that became a problem early in my college career when academics stepped up in difficulty, along with opportunities to be distracted by the freedoms of collegiate life. Today, observing your child in pre-school objectively should give you a good indication of whether he's sufficiently mature to do well academically.

And what's the objective of academics: preparation for life, or score-keeping with other parents? It's a small sample, but every individual that I hired fresh from college, a number with Masters, all stated that they learned more from 6 months of employment than in their 4 to 7 years of college. It's extremely important to get an education, but that's a means, not an end, For most people, excluding professional students.

On the flip side, physically our family is a group of "late growers": I was the smallest male in my HS class as a Junior, above average height at graduation, and when finished growing after my soph year in college I was one of the tallest in any room. If you have hopes that your child will be an athletic star, and your fam,ily genes similarly suggest growing later than average, maybe "red shirting" is the way to go.

BUT, "red shirting" was extremely common for alleged athletic advantages by the time our children entered school, a well-respected metro school in a community with household incomes well above median. In each child's class, ONE individual got a DI scholarship, and none were due to the alleged advantage from red-shirting. Some did better when younger, but classmates caught up and they went from junior high star to meh, at that wasn't a good thing for many.

Look at the ISU athletes, or DI overall, do the math: pretty low odds of winning the golden ticket, vs getting through school and on with life.

After all, isn't that the point of parenting, successfully transitioning your child to self-sufficient adulthood?

Parenting is tough: do-overs generally aren't allowed. Do what YOU think is best, be loving and supportive while allowing for some personal failure for its teaching moments, and I'm betting on your success.
While reading your post, I remembered Sages interview with Georges on Iowa everywhere. He was redshirted. I believe he said it was somewhat common in the New England area. No idea why it made me remember it, but it did.
 

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While reading your post, I remembered Sages interview with Georges on Iowa everywhere. He was redshirted. I believe he said it was somewhat common in the New England area. No idea why it made me remember it, but it did.
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Wrap care, yes. We don't pay for the 2.5 hrs of 4k time but that varies even by district as to who offers it free or not.
Pre-k is a bit out for us but still occupies way too much of my brain.
 

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Biggest parenting mistake my parents made was not starting me a year later. I turned 18 on campus and was not even a remotely mature 18. Was in a era that "holding back" had a stigma, "Oh, such and such was too stupid to be 1st grade".
Still having an impact today??? o_O :eek: ;)
 

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I agree if your kid is already in a center, that's a different adjustment than if at home all their life with a sibling and parent.
My oldest two were in a daycare center until kid three came along and it was financially better to just stay home with them. All five thrived in school so not sure there is a big difference within our small sample. They all were reading simple books before they started K.
 
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Of all the parents we talked to: none had regrets for redshirting; however some who went earlier did have reservations.

I benefitted from having 5 older siblings as well as a mom and dad who always were teaching me things so despite only just barely being 5 (July birthday) after kindergarten round-up they encouraged my parents to start me in first grade rather than kindergarten because I was way ahead of the other kindergartners. Mom forbade it. It would have been nice to be done with school early but I can't imagine me going off to college at barely 17. As far as athletics go I was enthusiastic but didn't really get any coordination until the summer before my senior year and I was rail thin. I ended up in track and cross country because it was pretty much all guts and no skill. I could gut it out without having to worry about fine motor skills.

I could have started later but I really think I would have been bored. As it was in 6th and 7th grade my math grades really started to suffer because it was so easy I saw no point in doing 20 or 30 problems when I had it down after 4 or 5. I ended up with **** study habits because high school was too damned easy. I paid the price for that in college.

Each kid is different. If both parent's gut is telling them the time is right or the time is wrong they should probably listen to their gut.

At my high school there was also a girl who was my age but was in the grade ahead of me. She did fine academically but she was socially challenged. Personally, I think she would have been better off if she had started with her peers.

School would’ve been a breeze for me if I started a year earlier but I didn’t hit my growth spurt years until 17-20 and can’t imagine being even shorter in school some of those years if parents had started me a year earlier. Freshman year of hs I think I was 4’8” and I’m 5’11” as adult.