Why OL Development Has Lagged Behind

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While we still have a bit of “off-season” left (especially before the first of the big OV dates tomorrow), I thought I’d take a quick note at the roots of why Eli Rasheed’s DL has developed so much faster than the OL.

This totally aside from the fact that developing OL usually takes longer than DL.

The answer, actually, is right there in CMC’s first two recruiting classes.

Let’s look at those classes, DL vs OL.

‘16
Jamahl Johnson DT 6’1” 319
Enyi Uwazurike DE 6’6” 250
Josh Bailey DT 6’3” 270
JaQuan Bailey DE 6’3” 235
Jerrion Nelson DE 6’2” 245

JC
Justin Stewart DE 6’3” 225

This ‘16 group was an interesting assortment of connections. Jamahl Johnson was a CPR commit. Enyi was a Toledo recruit who was a big academic risk. And JaQuan was arguably only signed away from Virginia Tech because of this brother.

That’s three contributing players right there.

A year later Ray Lima, Matt Leo and Kamilo Tongamoa were added. Lima was a fixture, and Leo and Tongamoa both saw snaps.

Now, over to the other side of the ball:

‘16 OL

HS
Sean Foster OT 6’8” 285
Keenan Forbes OG 6’3” 281
Josh Mueller OL 6’6” 275

JC
Oge Udeogu OG 6’4” 310
Karson Green OL 6’5” 290

So many swings and misses. Sean Foster was the only eventual contributor, and that wasn’t all that many starts across six years. Forbes was a straight up parallel of the risk signing Enyi—with the polar opposite result. Udeogu was chronically injured, though he was successful elsewhere as a grad transfer—and he and Green added zero help.

The only contributors added in ‘17 were JC Josh Knipfel and HS Colin Newell. Nothing wrong with those two, Knipfel paralleled Lima—but he filled one of five spots. In those two first classes, they added a grand total of three contributors.

Depending on how you define “contributors”, the DL had six on the same time period. Four of them major contributors. And that’s magnified by the simple fact that as Jon Heacock’s defense evolved, his three man front only requires 3/5 as many players as the OL needs.

Oh yeah…and in Year 3, Will McDonald was signed.

And this is the root of the OL’s slow development, right here. Had OL recruiting scored better early on, the room would established credibility sooner, and be in vastly better shape now.

Well, it’s getting there. It just took longer to upgrade recruiting…and of course, as mentioned, those guys take a bit longer to develop.

And yes, of course Coach Rasheed had something to do with it. ;)
 

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While we still have a bit of “off-season” left (especially before the first of the big OV dates tomorrow), I thought I’d take a quick note at the roots of why Eli Rasheed’s DL has developed so much faster than the OL.

This totally aside from the fact that developing OL usually takes longer than DL.

The answer, actually, is right there in CMC’s first two recruiting classes.

Let’s look at those classes, DL vs OL.

‘16
Jamahl Johnson DT 6’1” 319
Enyi Uwazurike DE 6’6” 250
Josh Bailey DT 6’3” 270
JaQuan Bailey DE 6’3” 235
Jerrion Nelson DE 6’2” 245

JC
Justin Stewart DE 6’3” 225

This ‘16 group was an interesting assortment of connections. Jamahl Johnson was a CPR commit. Enyi was a Toledo recruit who was a big academic risk. And JaQuan was arguably only signed away from Virginia Tech because of this brother.

That’s three contributing players right there.

A year later Ray Lima, Matt Leo and Kamilo Tongamoa were added. Lima was a fixture, and Leo and Tongamoa both saw snaps.

Now, over to the other side of the ball:

‘16 OL

HS
Sean Foster OT 6’8” 285
Keenan Forbes OG 6’3” 281
Josh Mueller OL 6’6” 275

JC
Oge Udeogu OG 6’4” 310
Karson Green OL 6’5” 290

So many swings and misses. Sean Foster was the only eventual contributor, and that wasn’t all that many starts across six years. Forbes was a straight up parallel of the risk signing Enyi—with the polar opposite result. Udeogu was chronically injured, though he was successful elsewhere as a grad transfer—and he and Green added zero help.

The only contributors added in ‘17 were JC Josh Knipfel and HS Colin Newell. Nothing wrong with those two, Knipfel paralleled Lima—but he filled one of five spots. In those two first classes, they added a grand total of three contributors.

Depending on how you define “contributors”, the DL had six on the same time period. Four of them major contributors. And that’s magnified by the simple fact that as Jon Heacock’s defense evolved, his three man front only requires 3/5 as many players as the OL needs.

Oh yeah…and in Year 3, Will McDonald was signed.

And this is the root of the OL’s slow development, right here. Had OL recruiting scored better early on, the room would established credibility sooner, and be in vastly better shape now.

Well, it’s getting there. It just took longer to upgrade recruiting…and of course, as mentioned, those guys take a bit longer to develop.

And yes, of course Coach Rasheed had something to do with it. ;)

Thanks for doing this! Can certainly see the difference.

I wonder what ‘18, ‘19, ‘20, etc would look like? Probably similar. Maybe it’s just simply the OL recruiting has not been good?
 

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OL vs DL

While we still have a bit of “off-season” left (especially before the first of the big OV dates tomorrow), I thought I’d take a quick note at the roots of why Eli Rasheed’s DL has developed so much faster than the OL.

This totally aside from the fact that developing OL usually takes longer than DL.

The answer, actually, is right there in CMC’s first two recruiting classes.

Let’s look at those classes, DL vs OL.

‘16
Jamahl Johnson DT 6’1” 319
Enyi Uwazurike DE 6’6” 250
Josh Bailey DT 6’3” 270
JaQuan Bailey DE 6’3” 235
Jerrion Nelson DE 6’2” 245

JC
Justin Stewart DE 6’3” 225

This ‘16 group was an interesting assortment of connections. Jamahl Johnson was a CPR commit. Enyi was a Toledo recruit who was a big academic risk. And JaQuan was arguably only signed away from Virginia Tech because of this brother.

That’s three contributing players right there.

A year later Ray Lima, Matt Leo and Kamilo Tongamoa were added. Lima was a fixture, and Leo and Tongamoa both saw snaps.

Now, over to the other side of the ball:

‘16 OL

HS
Sean Foster OT 6’8” 285
Keenan Forbes OG 6’3” 281
Josh Mueller OL 6’6” 275

JC
Oge Udeogu OG 6’4” 310
Karson Green OL 6’5” 290

So many swings and misses. Sean Foster was the only eventual contributor, and that wasn’t all that many starts across six years. Forbes was a straight up parallel of the risk signing Enyi—with the polar opposite result. Udeogu was chronically injured, though he was successful elsewhere as a grad transfer—and he and Green added zero help.

The only contributors added in ‘17 were JC Josh Knipfel and HS Colin Newell. Nothing wrong with those two, Knipfel paralleled Lima—but he filled one of five spots. In those two first classes, they added a grand total of three contributors.

Depending on how you define “contributors”, the DL had six on the same time period. Four of them major contributors. And that’s magnified by the simple fact that as Jon Heacock’s defense evolved, his three man front only requires 3/5 as many players as the OL needs.

Oh yeah…and in Year 3, Will McDonald was signed.

And this is the root of the OL’s slow development, right here. Had OL recruiting scored better early on, the room would established credibility sooner, and be in vastly better shape now.

Well, it’s getting there. It just took longer to upgrade recruiting…and of course, as mentioned, those guys take a bit longer to develop.

And yes, of course Coach Rasheed had something to do with it. ;)

The recruiting hasn’t been good, no doubt about that. The defensive coaches do an amazing job of player rotations to keep guys fresh for sure but also when it’s a new guys time to shine they have already had tons of snaps and experience.

Oline needs to be a cohesive group making it much harder to substitute. Plus talent has lacked. Hopefully the new Oline coach attracts recruits
 

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OL vs DL

While we still have a bit of “off-season” left (especially before the first of the big OV dates tomorrow), I thought I’d take a quick note at the roots of why Eli Rasheed’s DL has developed so much faster than the OL.

This totally aside from the fact that developing OL usually takes longer than DL.

The answer, actually, is right there in CMC’s first two recruiting classes.

Let’s look at those classes, DL vs OL.

‘16
Jamahl Johnson DT 6’1” 319
Enyi Uwazurike DE 6’6” 250
Josh Bailey DT 6’3” 270
JaQuan Bailey DE 6’3” 235
Jerrion Nelson DE 6’2” 245

JC
Justin Stewart DE 6’3” 225

This ‘16 group was an interesting assortment of connections. Jamahl Johnson was a CPR commit. Enyi was a Toledo recruit who was a big academic risk. And JaQuan was arguably only signed away from Virginia Tech because of this brother.

That’s three contributing players right there.

A year later Ray Lima, Matt Leo and Kamilo Tongamoa were added. Lima was a fixture, and Leo and Tongamoa both saw snaps.

Now, over to the other side of the ball:

‘16 OL

HS
Sean Foster OT 6’8” 285
Keenan Forbes OG 6’3” 281
Josh Mueller OL 6’6” 275

JC
Oge Udeogu OG 6’4” 310
Karson Green OL 6’5” 290

So many swings and misses. Sean Foster was the only eventual contributor, and that wasn’t all that many starts across six years. Forbes was a straight up parallel of the risk signing Enyi—with the polar opposite result. Udeogu was chronically injured, though he was successful elsewhere as a grad transfer—and he and Green added zero help.

The only contributors added in ‘17 were JC Josh Knipfel and HS Colin Newell. Nothing wrong with those two, Knipfel paralleled Lima—but he filled one of five spots. In those two first classes, they added a grand total of three contributors.

Depending on how you define “contributors”, the DL had six on the same time period. Four of them major contributors. And that’s magnified by the simple fact that as Jon Heacock’s defense evolved, his three man front only requires 3/5 as many players as the OL needs.

Oh yeah…and in Year 3, Will McDonald was signed.

And this is the root of the OL’s slow development, right here. Had OL recruiting scored better early on, the room would established credibility sooner, and be in vastly better shape now.

Well, it’s getting there. It just took longer to upgrade recruiting…and of course, as mentioned, those guys take a bit longer to develop.

And yes, of course Coach Rasheed had something to do with it. ;)

Also the injury bug has hit this group somewhat hard too
 
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Although the water in Ames is superior for the rest of us it is not ideal for the development of offensive lineman.
 

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You could do this for a lot of positions vs. the OL. They were hitting home runs everywhere else right away and for whatever reason are still struggling to match that with the OL. Caught up with them in a big way last year.
 
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How does this show that recruiting failed and player development/coaching didn't? Because a recruit didn't end up contributing? That doesn't automatically mean they were a bad recruit. The '16 OL might have been a bunch of hidden gems with potential to start in the Big 12 but were torpedoed by bad coaching. How would we know?
 
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Seems like Manning was a good TE coach. Not so much OL coach or OC.

Obviously he had some success(as OC) with the likes of Purdy, Hall, Montgomery, X, Kolar, Allen, and so on. But who wouldn’t?
 
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I don't really disagree with the recruiting point... basically we had CPR guys starting for as long as they were on the roster including a walk on DL that moved to OL in 2016 (Garcia). But I would argue it's probably a bit of both recruiting and development. You are not going to get a bunch of top tier OL recruits. You have to identify talent and then develop that talent (like we have at most other positions). At the same time we were unable to find any HS talent, UNI found two future NFL OL in the state of Iowa.

I took a look at this last year out of curiosity since we basically have had some of the best talent we have ever had at a number of positions. Meanwhile, OL felt like it was holding us back. I have been wanting an OL coaching change for a while... glad if finally happened.

NOTE: These numbers were pulled at the beginning of the year and do not include the 2022 season.

2016 Recruits + Transfers:

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2017 Recruits + Transfers:

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2018 Recruits + Transfers:

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2019 Recruits + Transfers:

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2020 Recruits + Transfers:

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2021 Recruits + Transfers:

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2022 Recruits + Transfers:

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I guess I’m somewhat skeptical, given that for YEARS the UNL dynasty was built on recruiting nationwide skill and “homegrown“ lines. It’s always great to start with talent, but steroids and corn fed beef went a helluva long way.
 

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I don't really disagree with the recruiting point... basically we had CPR guys starting for as long as they were on the roster including a walk on DL that moved to OL in 2016 (Garcia). But I would argue it's probably a bit of both recruiting and development. You are not going to get a bunch of top tier OL recruits. You have to identify talent and then develop that talent (like we have at most other positions). At the same time we were unable to find any HS talent, UNI found two future NFL OL in the state of Iowa.

I took a look at this last year out of curiosity since we basically have had some of the best talent we have ever had at a number of positions. Meanwhile, OL felt like it was holding us back. I have been wanting an OL coaching change for a while... glad if finally happened.

NOTE: These numbers were pulled at the beginning of the year and do not include the 2022 season.

2016 Recruits + Transfers:

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2017 Recruits + Transfers:

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2018 Recruits + Transfers:

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2019 Recruits + Transfers:

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2020 Recruits + Transfers:

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2021 Recruits + Transfers:

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2022 Recruits + Transfers:

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Feels like our eval has been way off. They are getting some guys that they really want and those players just don't amount to anything. Either that or they haven't done a good job of developing. I do think that they may be turning a corner now. They are getting some higher rated players and have an OL coach who has proven he can develop players. I'm just not a fan of waiting 8+ years to have a good OL.
 

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Man that year by year breakdown up thread is interesting and informative. Some of those names I have no memory of. For pff is a 50 average or is it more like letter grading where a 50 is failing.
 

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Hopefully our new strength and conditioning coach, as well as obviously the new OL coach is just the ticket our OL needs.
 
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Early on this staff was swing for the fences with some of the OL recruits, but they lost them to other programs when we appeared to be finalists. Specifically, I remember the kid that went to Louisville and the kid that went to Ohio State. Both were very successful. When we missed on those guys, it almost seemed like we lowered out standards.
 

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Wasn't a particular sideline reporter last year pointing a number of scheme and technique issues with the OL blocking? That doesn't seem like a recruiting problem. Posters here have been calling the same issues out for several years.