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Luth4Cy

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That game was not lost yesterday, but rather the years leading up to it. Last year was not bad because of injuries, but years of poor development, poor hiring decisions, and poor schemes.

Just one season and one game? Get real. Look at the past 30 games. We wasted away our peak because Rhoads did not have a ******* clue on offense. When you get curb stomped by FCS teams two years in a row, it let's you know many other loses were not just due to the inherent disadvantages of being the northern school in the Big 12.

It really incriminates CPR's program when apparently our center is the only leader in the program.

I've always wondered how things would have been different if Herman would have stayed or if Rhoads had hired a different OC. Maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, but year four the defense had the ability to win 8 or 9 games and the offense simply was unable to bring anywhere near a similar level of play.
 

clonedude

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I've always wondered how things would have been different if Herman would have stayed or if Rhoads had hired a different OC. Maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, but year four the defense had the ability to win 8 or 9 games and the offense simply was unable to bring anywhere near a similar level of play.

Problem is.... we weren't even a good offense under Herman either. Go back and look. One of the worst offenses in FBS even when Herman was here I believe.

I'm beginning to think it's the scheme. Maybe we should do what teams like NDSU and Iowa do, and just try to maul people and run on them with more of a pro style offense. We build an OL and DL with big strong midwestern kids with great toughness and work ethic, and surround them with skill position talent from down south.

We just might not have the personnel to run this kind of offense like a Baylor or Oregon does.

But people always think we couldn't compete in the Big 12 with that kind of offense. Well, NDSU is now 2-0 against Big 12 teams. Iowa does fairly well against us too.
 

Luth4Cy

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Problem is.... we weren't even a good offense under Herman either. Go back and look. One of the worst offenses in FBS even when Herman was here I believe.

I'm beginning to think it's the scheme. Maybe we should do what teams like NDSU and Iowa do, and just try to maul people and run on them with more of a pro style offense. We build an OL and DL with big strong midwestern kids with great toughness and work ethic, and surround them with skill position talent from down south.

We just might not have the personnel to run this kind of offense like a Baylor or Oregon does.

But people always think we couldn't compete in the Big 12 with that kind of offense. Well, NDSU is now 2-0 against Big 12 teams. Iowa does fairly well against us too.

We weren't, but building a scheme takes time. Year four would have been when he finally had enough talent at the skill positions to be successful.

And I'm not sure anybody thought we couldn't compete with that type of an offense, but once you choose a system you have to be all-in on it. For example, our offense would have been even a bigger disaster had CPR switched systems when Herman left.
 

swarthmoreCY

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We weren't, but building a scheme takes time. Year four would have been when he finally had enough talent at the skill positions to be successful.

And I'm not sure anybody thought we couldn't compete with that type of an offense, but once you choose a system you have to be all-in on it. For example, our offense would have been even a bigger disaster had CPR switched systems when Herman left.
Tells me you are picking the wrong scheme. Rhoads clearly is not an expert in it, so why go with that scheme to begin with? We had a bunch of good road graders on the line, a tough RB, and an inaccurate, but tough QB, and slower WRs.
Did we have a staff that knew how to recruit for this system? It sure seems like the original staff were throwing darts to fill the QB spot.
 

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So what has JP done really? McDermott was a poor hire, Chizik was a poor hire, Rhoads is looking like a poor hire, he let Sanderson walk, and Hoiberg fell into his hands with zero effort. Rhoads' contract is bad too.
 

clonedude

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So what has JP done really? McDermott was a poor hire, Chizik was a poor hire, Rhoads is looking like a poor hire, he let Sanderson walk, and Hoiberg fell into his hands with zero effort. Rhoads' contract is bad too.

He's an unbelievable salesman.... that's all he is.
 

awd4cy

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So what has JP done really? McDermott was a poor hire, Chizik was a poor hire, Rhoads is looking like a poor hire, he let Sanderson walk, and Hoiberg fell into his hands with zero effort. Rhoads' contract is bad too.
Rhoads was a bad hire now, but good things took place from 2009-2011. I can't really get on him about that Chizik hire because that looked like a great coaching hire and Chizik was a hot commodity after the 2006 season.
 

Tornado man

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So what has JP done really? McDermott was a poor hire, Chizik was a poor hire, Rhoads is looking like a poor hire, he let Sanderson walk, and Hoiberg fell into his hands with zero effort. Rhoads' contract is bad too.
I would not trust JP with the next football HC hire - I don't think he has any insight or ability in that area. Not with giving Chizik the extension before he left, and then the hire of CPR.
 

im4cyclones

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So what has JP done really? McDermott was a poor hire, Chizik was a poor hire, Rhoads is looking like a poor hire, he let Sanderson walk, and Hoiberg fell into his hands with zero effort. Rhoads' contract is bad too.

Dude, come on. No one questioned the Chizik hire when it was made. He was a hot name, a young up-and-comer, a national assistant coach of the year and a coordinator of a national championship team. There is no way Pollard could foresee that Gene would hire his buddies for coordinators. In fact, the McDermott hire wasn't a bad hire either.

Now, the softball coach was a bad hire. No one wanted her to begin with and it has played out how everyone expected.
 

Tornado man

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Dude, come on. No one questioned the Chizik hire when it was made. He was a hot name, a young up-and-comer, a national assistant coach of the year and a coordinator of a national championship team.
No, the problem was the extension JP gave Chizik, after 2 bad years.
 

jbhtexas

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So what has JP done really? McDermott was a poor hire, Chizik was a poor hire, Rhoads is looking like a poor hire, he let Sanderson walk, and Hoiberg fell into his hands with zero effort. Rhoads' contract is bad too.
Really? The Hoiberg hire took no effort??? That's naive and silly. The guy was moving towards a very lucrative NBA front office or coaching career.
 

runblade

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Mike Leech would have been good. ISU cant rely on rah rah or have some jar head dinosaur who thinks he can line up and play the opponents game.

For the love of god get a real qb. Enough with these alleged dual threat losers who run and pass second.

Fricking uni and ndsu have had a better history of productive qb play than isu.
 

MilehighClone

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I think JP is going to give the CPR/Mangino tandem a minimum of two seasons, so it probably doesn't matter what we think.
 

swarthmoreCY

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He's an unbelievable salesman.... that's all he is.
You are nuts, to put it kindly.

Hiring coaches is highly speculative, so missing on McDermott and Rhoads does not reduce him to "just a salesman, that's all he is". JP is a good numbers guy with decent business sense. The biggest thing is he has brought stability by having a long-term plan and vision for ISU.
IMO he is learning the risk/reward nature of locking up coaches at ISU- an issue many ADs do not have to worry about.
 
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Cychedelia

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Mike Leech would have been good. ISU cant rely on rah rah or have some jar head dinosaur who thinks he can line up and play the opponents game.

For the love of god get a real qb. Enough with these alleged dual threat losers who run and pass second.

Fricking uni and ndsu have had a better history of productive qb play than isu.


LOL
 

BoxsterCy

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So what has JP done really? McDermott was a poor hire, Chizik was a poor hire, Rhoads is looking like a poor hire, he let Sanderson walk, and Hoiberg fell into his hands with zero effort. Rhoads' contract is bad too.

The women's cross-country coach is doing pretty good. :rolleyes:
 

BoxsterCy

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Really? The Hoiberg hire took no effort??? That's naive and silly. The guy was moving towards a very lucrative NBA front office or coaching career.

Seriously? Hoiberg wanted this job and lobbied for it the first time around when nobody but nobody would have hired him at a major school as head coach. When the 2nd chance came to hire him our AD did but it wasn't any huge effort. We took a chance and big gamble and won.
 

Tornado man

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Seriously? Hoiberg wanted this job and lobbied for it the first time around when nobody but nobody would have hired him at a major school as head coach. When the 2nd chance came to hire him our AD did but it wasn't any huge effort. We took a chance and big gamble and won.
That's correct - Fred himself said he lobbied for the job and sold JP on his plan during that famous meeting around Hoiberg's kitchen table in Chaska.
 

FarminCy

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Seriously? Hoiberg wanted this job and lobbied for it the first time around when nobody but nobody would have hired him at a major school as head coach. When the 2nd chance came to hire him our AD did but it wasn't any huge effort. We took a chance and big gamble and won.

Correct. Fred was basically begging for a chance at the job. JP took a risk. Knew he needed something to excite the fans and knew it couldn't get any worse than what McD was doing.