UNI vs. ISU - thoughts/predictions?
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I should have been more specific ... He seemed slowed and a bit cautious compared to how he played against Iowa. My thought was, why play so much against Alcorn St? Get it iced and rehab it for UNI and beyond.
I'm not a huge fan of Lohaus and his game but he will definitely be a nice addition when he's at full strength. Haldeman can really shoot the ball
Very true. I have made no secret that I am not yet on board with Prohm on here. I very much hope I am wrong. However, this seems like the perfect spot for a more experienced coach/program that knows their identity and will stick to it. This is no way means the rest of the season is down the tubes. Just don't see ISU winning unless they go lights out from 3 or shoot well beyond their 3 point %. We shall see.
I would respectfully disagree. I think it is all there. Murray State and Iowa State has shown he is slow to make adjustments both in games and in seasons and he has already admitted as much in interviews.
What I find interesting is that anyone that disagrees with a coach is considered ignorant, until we all go nuts and want them fired. There were Paul Rhoads backers until the very end, even though folks wanted to seem him go earlier than he did. Those that wanted to make a change were also, "ignorant" and other shots at those folks, such as, not "all in" on the program but looks like they were correct.
You can have your opinion on him. Not sure if you think he is really good, average, or will become legendary, but I haven't seen it yet.
I would be happy to discuss strategy and X's and O's if that makes you feel more comfortable in my position.
I do believe he was supposed to come in and put a real emphasis on defense, something people wanted more of from Hoiberg. When he did try to slow the pace, the offensive flow was disrupted and often times sloppy for a team that was used to playing loose and free.
Watching this season, it is clear that they are not focused on defense to keep games low scoring. They are getting back to up and down game plan. Give Prohm credit for making this change, even if it hurt the clones last year. Let's see if they can handle a slow down pace with quality bigs, because I don't see it.
Lastly, not sure how anyone can say these coaches are even. Jacobsen and UNI have an identity that has worked through out the years and have given Iowa and ISU fits. To say Prohm is on his level at this stage in careers is just untrue.
Yes. Do I have to wait for a coach to have 5 bad years of 20 loses to say I am not of fan of him? Why is that an issue?
If ISU is forced by UNI to shoot a lot of 3's and they hit on their season average of .374 they would be scoring over 1.1 points per possession which in a low scoring affair is probably a good chance for victory.
UNI is averaging 67.6 possessions a game. At that rate ISU would be in the 70's if they hoisted a 3 every possession and just hit at their season clip.
Can't argue with that. My point is that the UNI defense and slower pace might make ISU uncomfortable. A team that is young, perhaps antsy if they aren't run and gun. Again, it will be up to Prohm to make adjustments and a good offensive scheme to counter. My money is on Jacobsen and UNI controlling the game and making it difficult for ISU to score.
So you want the team to do everything?
Was it OK for them to hold Tyler Cook to 2 points?
UNI was 14-16 last year. You want the kind of a season as long as there's the same identity every season?
I guess I don't see why you aren't a fan of him. He has the highest winning percentage of any ISU coach ever and if he wins Saturday he'll move into top 10 all time in wins in just over two seasons.
I mean I guess I could see if you are worried about the future and his ability to sustain the success after Fred's guys left but between Wigginton this year and what we are bringing in next year I think that is even a stretch at this point.
Prohm went to a Sweet 16 his first year and won a Big 12 Tournament and made it to the second round his second season all while having his team playing it's best in March. If you aren't on board with what he did his first two years I don't know what to tell you
I am just repeating the rhetoric that was given when he was hired. I have seen that a slower paced, defensive minded team struggles on offense and it cost them games. You put a faster pace in play, similar to Fred and the team plays better. Hence, one can conclude he hasn't changed a lot since Fred. This is fine, but I don't not trust him enough to make in game adjustments to win games against good teams in pressure spots.
UNI is like Iowa football. They aren't going to get 4-5 star kids. Some years are rebuilding because lost seniors or what not, but they always seem to know who they are and how to play their game. ISU and Iowa always struggle with UNI and this year seems like a UNI squad that will challenge for an NCAA tourney birth.
There are easy arguments that can be countered. He inherited one of the best ISU teams in history, with 2-4 NBA players and 2-3 the following year to date. I am not interested in winning percentage, especially over a short span because of the cupcakes that are played in college basketball. I am more interested in big games.
I am impressed with his recruiting classes and hope he succeeds in the future, but I don't understand why it is ok to give him a pass in games that should've been better. In an interview with the Ames Tribune after the Purdue game, he actually said he was waiting before switching anything up. He waited a whole half to change any part of his game plan. He said he didn't know what was the problem.That is the height of below average coaching and I think he has yet to prove he can do it.
Again, I hope I am wrong, but I will not just jump on board and say he is great, just because he is the current coach.
Big games? He's won at Allen Field house, won a Big 12 Tournament Title and has a winning record in the NCAA Tournament.
Do you think any coach at ISU has been good because Fred lost to UAB with 4 NBA players on the roster...
Also their is a HUGE difference not liking a coach and saying he is great. I don't think Prohm is "great" yet but hopefully he will be soon. I definitely think he's proven he's a good coach so far though
You make a good point. Although, we know BDJ had issues and probably disrupted that team and its chemistry in a way it didn't need.
I'll give you that ISU won in AFH, but I would suggest that folks not be happy with the idea that their coach in the round of 32 said, he "was waiting" to make a change and "didn't know" why things weren't working. I would ask everyone at least acknowledge this is poor coaching and game management. Especially in the ncaa tourney.
Did you think Fred was a good coach? What did he say after the first round loss with one of the most talented rosters we've ever had?
This is a futile argument. People see what they want to see. People read into quotes in a way that fit their agenda.
Not sure, but the game plan was clear against Purdue. Go small. he didn't and it didn't go well.
