They have 2 things we don’t:How? We make way more money than the P12, its not close Get real
1) TV contract is up sooner.
2) Pacific time zone inventory.
This ain’t over.
They have 2 things we don’t:How? We make way more money than the P12, its not close Get real
OK I agree with this. By HOW I meant kill/grow. Not horrible TV deal.Ummm. "...no matter HOW it comes...". I believe the ACC said the same thing and locked them into a really bad long-term contract. Other than that I agree. Lock in to a growth relative to other conferences growth / viewing metric.
They have 2 things we don’t:
1) TV contract is up sooner.
2) Pacific time zone inventory.
This ain’t over.
You make some valid points, but to add the 2 weakest from an already weakened PAC, does not equal winning (surviving...whatever you want to call it). It probably makes the Pac stronger and it definitely makes the Big12 weaker.The hard part is because nobody knows what the future playoff looks like (remember this 4-team one expires in 2025 & there is nothing after that), these conferences and teams are trying to figure out their long-term place in the world without knowing the end-game.
Imagine if I said, recruit your best basketball roster but I’m not going to tell you the rules (3 on 3, 4 on 4, 3-point line, rim height) until 2 years from now.
They have 2 things we don’t:
1) TV contract is up sooner.
2) Pacific time zone inventory.
This ain’t over.
All of what you just said. Not worth it IMO.Why would Oregon/Wash be a mis-take, in your opinion? Because they might leave for B1G, they might not either? The geography sucks? Cultural fit?
I'm genuine in my curiosity, not trying to start a fight.
Like I stated earlier, I'm starting to lean into the opinion that I want whatever combination of schools from the PAC, that makes the most dollars for the conference.
People on here are naive and unrealistic in coming to grips with how vulnerable the Big XII still is. We’re one move from being in realistic long-term trouble.
The #1 priority should be long-term stability, no matter HOW it comes.
They have 2 things we don’t:
1) TV contract is up sooner.
2) Pacific time zone inventory.
This ain’t over.
Vulnerable from who exactly? The SEC took who they wanted already. Big 10 turned a bunch of us down last year. The Pac is in trouble and makes less than us, jumping there makes no sense. ACC cant add under their current GOR unless its Notre Dame. Nobody is knocking on the doorPeople on here are naive and unrealistic in coming to grips with how vulnerable the Big XII still is. We’re one move from being in realistic long-term trouble.
The #1 priority should be long-term stability, no matter HOW it comes.
One year ago the Big 12 was dead. Things change fast.Vulnerable from who exactly? The SEC took who they wanted already. Big 10 turned a bunch of us down last year. The Pac is in trouble and makes less than us, jumping there makes no sense. ACC cant add under their current GOR unless its Notre Dame. Nobody is knocking on the door
That is relative. I am glad we have those and they are all somewhat decent road trips. When you look at the Big 10 west they dont compare. Every single road trip for Iowa, (or for us) is as close or closer than KU, our closest road trip.If Colorado comes back we will have 6 pretty easy road trips. CU, KU, KSU, OSU, UC, TCU
One year ago the Big 12 was dead. Things change fast.
Awful football though.Arizona/Colorado are the two I want the most. They would be amazing fits in the league. And it would force the hand of the rest of them so ASU and maybe Utah would follow if they were smart.
Three things could force ND into a conference:I could see them being a little short, but I'm skeptical too. the Big 10 is a P2 regardless. Oregon-Ohio St was Ohio St's 2nd best regular season game all year, only behind Michigan-OSU (which was #1 in the country).
It is like the BIG has done nearly everything possible to destabilize the PAC. As though they are trying to force the mountain 4 out. UCLA leaves without anything from CA politics (a whimper two weeks later). Allow UW and Oregon to not "know" their status while have standing applications (it is almost always a formality by the time that happens). Yet several schools knowing right away not to wait on BIG, whereas to prevent schools from leaving, the BIG should have said 'maybe". . Are they trying to get the mountain schools to leave so that it is not the BIG that "killed" the PAC, and Cal, Stanford, UW, Oregon all vote for dissolution, thereby getting FOX the PAC brand to use as division in BIG?
Probably not, and the likely reason is everyone is waiting on ND. But I don't know, the fastest way to get ND is for max realignment to continue.
Or maybe they do prefer to go after ACC, in efforts to force ND's hand, with UVa, FSU, Miami, UNC. That would get them ND imo, which pays for Stanford and Duke. And likely KU at that point, as I've read FOX has ambitions of using BIG plus Big East to monetize new CBB post-season. That's 24 and a P1 that get them at least 1st in every major area except Texas. It also ***** ESPN, and with UW, Oregon, Utah, AZ, ASU, CU added to Big 12, FOX would control college athletics and that's without any further ACC additions to Big 12 (Clemson, VT, NCSt likely to SEC, but I think basketball schools would be tempted to align with FOX in Big 12).
Would the BIG presidents not spend some of the huge increase they have coming to get Stanford and Cal in particular? Unlike the Big 12, they can still subsidize some of the move via BTN in-market in the bay area. Having all 4 CA schools, making CA a BIG state, while adding Stanford and Cal as Big 10 institutions? I'm surprised the BIG presidents would pass on that over their increase being less. The only better time in which the BIG can add those without it being obvious they are giving up some gains, is if ND goes first this summer (before new deal is finalized). Adding Cal and Stanford also means twice the exposure via double the amount of opportunities to put the Iowa or Nebraska types in that late timeslot. Midwest and east fans won't stay up for the late game if two mediocre Pac12 teams, but a BIG vs new BIG get new viewers.
At least on UW and Oregon, you could argue that they take resources away from CA, so locking them out in the Big 12 leaves more exporting of talent to the Midwest. But with 6 PAC they likely retain some of the value tradition (Rose Bowl) and own the west
Especially when ESPN is orchestrating things behind the scenes.
If the big 12 doesn't have a dominant position when the ACC gets picked apart (which could be sooner than we have thought, there are open questions as to how ironclad their GOR actually is), ESPN could throw its weight around to get the ACC remnants to pick the best pieces of the big 12.
Wake Forest, Syracuse, and Boston College. Why would Big 12 teams join up with them? Those are what will be left.
It's not the Big12's goal to end the Pac12. The TV rights marketplace will determine what happens to the Pac12 and Big12 long-term.Wrong. We have the chance to end a conference that’s been around in one form or another for about 100 years. To say the B12 was the one to finish it is what makes realignment fun. Survive and advance!
I’m not sure who wins out if the XII and ACC try to raid each other. Probably depends on how many ACC teams are left after the Big 10 and SEC take their picks.Especially when ESPN is orchestrating things behind the scenes.
If the big 12 doesn't have a dominant position when the ACC gets picked apart (which could be sooner than we have thought, there are open questions as to how ironclad their GOR actually is), ESPN could throw its weight around to get the ACC remnants to pick the best pieces of the big 12.
Always thought Lafayette was further than Lawrence and Manhattan.That is relative. I am glad we have those and they are all somewhat decent road trips. When you look at the Big 10 west they dont compare. Every single road trip for Iowa, (or for us) is as close or closer than KU, our closest road trip.
Getting CU back helps a little but it used to be one of our furthest road trips, now we are glad its one of the closest. The loss of Mizzou and Nebby still hurts for road trips.
It will be a lot more than that. There are only a few schools that are actually accretive to the SEC\B10.