Big 12 Allowed to Hold Championship Game Without Expansion

[Al_4_State]

wait - so the vote allows conferences to have top two teams in CGG, right? so why would the AAC or ACC just get rid of divisions? Seems super simple.

edit... in the post everyone like, what is "**** you money"? I don't understand this.

The Big 12, without a title game, currently makes more than the ACC does with one.

The Big 12 + title game = even wider financial gap between the leagues. This equates to a much higher likelihood for the Big 12's long term survival, which is good for Iowa State.

 

[alarson]

^ 2015 mindset

^ 2014 mindset

I think the 2015 scenario and mindset will ring true more often. If the Big XII is already in the CFP, why risk getting them knocked out. I guess it could come back to bite the Big XII in the *** if the committee holds a grudge against the Big XII for deciding not to have a championship game.

I also think that eventually the CFP goes to 8 teams. In which case, why add a guaranteed loss to one of your top teams? That could keep you from getting 2 in.

 

[twojman]

The Big IIXII can still do divisions that give Iowa State and Kansas a chance to make the title game and help to guarantee that we don't risk losing two potential playoff teams.

We just need to follow the B1G's methodology for creating divisions - load up a "strong" division and a weak division while keeping the round robin. Make sure that Texas Tech, Iowa State, kansas State, Kansas and West Virginia are in one division and the powers are in the other.

This is absolutely correct and leaves the door open for 2 big 12 teams in the playoffs. A one loss OU not playinging in the championship game while a 1 loss or undefeated TCU beats KSU or WVU in the championship game. TCU is in and OU has a shot.

 

[CyFan61]

The Big 12 should simplify the tiebreakers here:

In a two-team tie, head to head winner gets the spot.

In a three-team tie, where each team went 1-1 against the other two, the best CFP committee ranking(s) should win.

Have to try to maximize playoff odds.

 

[cyclone87]

Good for the Big 12 as a whole, bad for ISU's hopes of winning more games since we likely won't be adding teams anytime soon now.

 

[jbhtexas]

The Big 12, without a title game, currently makes more than the ACC does with one.

The Big 12 + title game = even wider financial gap between the leagues. This equates to a much higher likelihood for the Big 12's long term survival, which is good for Iowa State.

Yup! Some of that income disparity is due to the ACC cable network. The ACC put a bunch of eggs (i.e. promised future income) in the ACC cable network. It was supposed to launch in 2017, but now seems to pushed out further, and delaying that promised income. Some unhappy campers in the ACC because of this.

 

[JP4CY]

Love it. It also trickles down to not needing to add schools right now and not having round robin. I never knew what I was missing out by not having round robin during the North and South days. Football is tougher for us now, but I think scheduling wise it makes so much sense.

 

[chuckd4735]

i dont know.

but doesn't the proposal allow a CCG between the top 2 teams? Does it say anything about having to use division champs if they exist?

I believe, but am not certain, it says it must be between division champs, unless you play a full round robin, where then it can be between the two tops teams.

 

[CySoup]

This is absolutely horrible for the Big 12 unless they go to divisions. Can you imagine two years ago picking which 2 teams make the championship game? Can you imagine this year making an outright champ play an extra game against a team it just beat. Not only that, but which team gets a crack at Oklahoma again (OSU or TCU)?

Best case scenario of ISU is to go to division. Worse case is staying at 10, playing a round robin schedule, and pitting the #1 and #2 teams, that would be complete idiocy.

 

[Clones32]

Bowlsby gets a lot of heat, but there's not many AD's and Commissioners that know football as well as he does.

The ACC wants the 2 best teams regardless of division in championship game since the ACC is a 2 team league(Clemson, FSU), but the BIG wants the power 5 to treat CGs the same throughout although they don't want to force B12 to expand. I would prefer to add 2 teams and go with divisions since we might actually win 7 or 8 games once in awhile if the schedule allows it, but there aren't really any great candidates to add. BYU, Houston, Cincinnati? None of them sound great. The B12 really missed the boat on adding Louisville.

If we do expand I hope they don't split it up by geography since that could put TCU, Baylor, Texas, and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech all in the same division and that would be bad for the conference. People made fun of the Leaders and Legends, but those divisions were very balanced and now the BIG divisions are unbalanced.

 

[heitclone]

When they add a CG they need to mix up the schedules, OU/Baylor should be playing the beginning of October, same for any of the top teams. If we've learned anything in 2 years of the CFP we have learned that losing doesn't kill you as long as you lose early enough(or are Alabama). Let the top dogs battle it out early and then meet up again in the CG.

 

[Cyballzz]

This is absolutely horrible for the Big 12 unless they go to divisions. Can you imagine two years ago picking which 2 teams make the championship game? Can you imagine this year making an outright champ play an extra game against a team it just beat. Not only that, but which team gets a crack at Oklahoma again (OSU or TCU)?

Best case scenario of ISU is to go to division. Worse case is staying at 10, playing a round robin schedule, and pitting the #1 and #2 teams, that would be complete idiocy.

It most likely would have been Oklahoma State since they beat Baylor.

This year would have been (again) Oklahoma State since they beat TCU.

 

[CysRage]

Hey negative Nancies! This is great for ISU since it means the Big 12 in general will be stronger with more money entering the pool. What would you rather have? Divisions now where ISU maybe wins 1-2 more games a year but the Big 12 collapses in 5 years. Or CCG with 10 teams scenario where in 5-10 years, ACC teams may be upset they aren't getting the money they were promised then want to join the Big 12? Then we would have at least 12 teams and divisions with much stronger teams (FSU, Clemson, etc) vs Cincy, BYU.

 

[Althetuna]

I'm beginning to wonder if the ACC was going to attempt to get Notre Dame to participate in their championship game in some form.

The B1G just blocked that manauver by inserting its amendment.

 

[Die4Cy]

Bowlsby gets a lot of heat, but there's not many AD's and Commissioners that know football as well as he does.

The ACC wants the 2 best teams regardless of division in championship game since the ACC is a 2 team league(Clemson, FSU), but the BIG wants the power 5 to treat CGs the same throughout although they don't want to force B12 to expand. I would prefer to add 2 teams and go with divisions since we might actually win 7 or 8 games once in awhile if the schedule allows it, but there aren't really any great candidates to add. BYU, Houston, Cincinnati? None of them sound great. The B12 really missed the boat on adding Louisville.

If we do expand I hope they don't split it up by geography since that could put TCU, Baylor, Texas, and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech all in the same division and that would be bad for the conference. People made fun of the Leaders and Legends, but those divisions were very balanced and now the BIG divisions are unbalanced.

From the B1G's perspective, unbalance divisions is a huge plus. Marquee programs paired together in a tough division get national credibility by doing well with a tough slate, while a mediocre team winning a weak division can do the same by virtue of a great record, and the winner of the weaker division is not a real threat to the better division winner in the conference championship game. Everybody makes a **** ton of money, the conference gets more teams ranked, etc.

But I don't care. I love the round robin. Being in divisions, particularly in a conference bigger than 12, doesn't even feel like a conference.

 

[HFCS]

^ 2015 mindset

^ 2014 mindset

I think the 2015 scenario and mindset will ring true more often. If the Big XII is already in the CFP, why risk getting them knocked out. I guess it could come back to bite the Big XII in the *** if the committee holds a grudge against the Big XII for deciding not to have a championship game.

Out top ranked teams have dropped from 3 to 6 and 3 to 4 for basically no reason the past two seasons, with the team that dropped from 3 to 6 finishing #2 in the AP poll.

I don't really think it has anything to do with our lack of title game, but the B12 is not in solid shape until they announce the new committee and we have better representation.

 

[JP4CY]

I'm beginning to wonder if the ACC was going to attempt to get Notre Dame to participate in their championship game in some form.

The B1G just blocked that manauver by inserting its amendment.

The Big is still ****** at Notre Dame.

 

[CarlHungus]

I see Boren is already ********. Getting real tired of Boren and Oklahoma constantly whining about this conference
http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklah...cle_c280b8d2-ba4e-11e5-8fb3-2f2e14dc08bc.html

 

[SoapyCy]

The Big is still ****** at Notre Dame.

Everyone except ND is ****** at ND

 

[Palmer]

OU will not be around at the end of the contract if something does not change.

I see Boren is already ********. Getting real tired of Boren and Oklahoma constantly whining about this conference
http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklah...cle_c280b8d2-ba4e-11e5-8fb3-2f2e14dc08bc.html