Big 12 Conference Realignment

t-noah

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20 teams, 4 divisions of 5 teams. Every year divisions are paired up making a total of 10 team "sister divisions".

For football each team plays a round robin within their sister division. Championship weekend is cross division play. Each team plays their equally ranked counter part from the other sister divisions.

For basketball full double round robin within sister divisions. Tournament week sister divisions make up 10 team brackets with the winner of each side meeting for the championship. 20 teams 2 brackets.

Now for the teams and divisions. Since this is all completely hypothetical I'm considering any team not in the SEC or B1G fair play for expansion (because lets face it nobody is foolish enough to desert either of those money machines).

Rocky division
Oregon
Utah
BYU
Arizona
TTech

Great Plains division
ISU
KU
KSU
OSU
TCU

Appalachian division
WVU
Louisville
Pitt
Virginia
Cincinnati

Gulf division
Baylor
Huston
UCF
Miami
Clemson

With this split you can preserve regional rivalries, cut on travel, and play every team at home and away in a 4 year span. In football teams only have to travel out of their region 2-3 times a year which could mean once a month. In basketball they only travel out of region 5 times a year that could be paired in one week trips (ISU could spend a long weekend in Florida playing Miami on Wednesday and UCF on Saturday.
I appreciate the time and thought that went into this. I'll bet this, or something close to it, is in one of the other threads. I wouldn't know where to begin to look though.

It's been a long time since I've briefly read part of a realignment thread. I have only read a couple ones on pods, but not this one. Thanks for posting.
 

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**** PODS!!!

Pods are great for whales and Tatooine.

They'd also be ideal for scheduling in a 16 member conference. It's the best solution I know of for being able to visit every stadium within four years while preserving regional rivalries. Would you be less offended if we used a different term? Why not just call them 4-team divisions like the NFL? With the Four Corners:

ARIZONA
ARIZONA STATE
BYU
UTAH

COLORADO
IOWA STATE
KANSAS
KANSAS STATE

BAYLOR
OKLAHOMA STATE
TCU
TECH

CINCINNATI
HOUSTON
UCF
WEST VIRGINIA

You earn nothing but bragging rights by winning your division. Top 2 teams play in championship regardless. Tie breakers determined by playoff ranking.
 

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Pods are great for whales and Tatooine.

They'd also be ideal for scheduling in a 16 member conference. It's the best solution I know of for being able to visit every stadium within four years while preserving regional rivalries. Would you be less offended if we used a different term? Why not just call them 4-team divisions like the NFL? With the Four Corners:

ARIZONA
ARIZONA STATE
BYU
UTAH

COLORADO
IOWA STATE
KANSAS
KANSAS STATE

BAYLOR
OKLAHOMA STATE
TCU
TECH

CINCINNATI
HOUSTON
UCF
WEST VIRGINIA

You earn nothing but bragging rights by winning your division. Top 2 teams play in championship regardless. Tie breakers determined by playoff ranking.
I think this would be a great way to do it, you could have 2 pods match up and then have each team have a protected rival in each pod that they play even when their pods aren’t matched up. This would give everyone 9 conference games. So for ISU their “rivals” in each pod would be BYU, OSU, and WVU.

So if they were matched up with the BYU pod first ISU would play that pod, the 3 teams in their pod, OSU and WVU to get 9 conference games.
 
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**** PODS!!!
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hard to believe the big 10 would look at kansas if they aren’t looking at washington and oregon.
Without a commissioner presently, the B10's future is completely unknown. I'm just saying that Ku is setting itself up to move, at least that's the conjecture down here for why and how they got a precedent setting $50 million welfare check from Kansas government for Memorial Stadium's redo.
 
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Some rumblings down here that Ku is setting up to leave. Somehow, they got the governor to gift them $50 million and their endowment is ponying up another $150 toward renovation of Memorial Stadium.

Many here are beyond ticked that public funds are being diverted to Ku athletics, sorta football welfare.

Anyway, the idea is that Ku is a prime B10 target if they fix their decrepit stadium. Something to watch as Ku's A.D. has made no secret in the past about his desire to leave for the Big 10. He last worked at Northwestern.
Would stink if KU left, but no different than Mizzou.

That could spell the end of Big12 Hoops Tournament always being in KC. Not sure what the economic impact is on having Tourney in KC. But when attending Big12, I always heard that P&L businesses made much of their $ off 1 week with Big12 & St Patty's day.
 

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Please, not another alignment thread! I can only keep up with so many threads. My wife is already rolling her eyes.
 
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Would stink if KU left, but no different than Mizzou.

That could spell the end of Big12 Hoops Tournament always being in KC. Not sure what the economic impact is on having Tourney in KC. But when attending Big12, I always heard that P&L businesses made much of their $ off 1 week with Big12 & St Patty's day.
It's the state "welfare" check that's really stirring the pot down here.

FROM THE PUBLISHER Manhattan Mercury | Welfare for KU football? Or an eco devo project​


It’s tempting, as a K-State fan, to bash the state government’s decision to hand $50 million of taxpayer money to KU to help it fix up its football stadium.
Very tempting. It seems preposterous on its face. A government subsidy at a time when TV contracts provide giant money gushers into major conference athletics programs? Taxpayer money to one Division 1 football stadium in the state, when the other big one (which happens to be here in our town) has done its upgrades with private money over five decades, upgrades that have brought in tens of millions of dollars in tax revenue?

I could yammer on in this vein at some length. How about the state give K-State $50 million so it doesn’t have to knock down the Ahearn gym, and abandon the fieldhouse to the eventual wrecking ball? What if the government just agreed to give K-State one-third of the money the Vaniers have donated since the late 1980s? There’s some irony in the coincidences — perhaps the passing of Jack Vanier marked the end of one philosophy and the beginning of something different.

The jokes come easy. The Welfarehawks? Should the midfield marker by the $50-yard-line? And so on.
But, OK, that line of argumentation is tinged with provincialism.
Let’s assume, for the sake of discussion, that the roles were reversed. Assume that state economic-development officials handed over $50 million to K-State to help add on to the football stadium – on the grounds that it would help the state’s economy. Would we in Manhattan be against that? Well, certainly not on the basis of envy or self-interest.

The government has, in fact, helped spiff up the area around K-State’s athletics complex, with major improvements to roads and other infrastructure. That’s why Kimball has been torn up forever. The state’s portion of the KU project is, in fact, supposed to be used for that sort of infrastructure, too.
Still, there’s no denying that this is a shift in the standards. So we can further assume that K-State’s athletics department will be the next recipient at the taxpayer trough. Right? I don’t know what that project will be, or when it will come, but if I’m Gene Taylor or Richard Linton, I’ve got the memo already written.

And so, out of economic self-interest, perhaps it would be wise to keep our powder dry on this subject. It would be prudent to erase the first three paragraphs of this column. Except that, umm, oops. I didn’t.
No, the real and substantial argument against it is that taxpayers ought not be subsidizing major college sports venues because of the bottomless pools of money those businesses have to draw from. That’s an awfully compelling argument.
Do we want to make that argument in Manhattan? We certainly can at the moment. Down the line, my guess is we’ll want those bullets back.
 
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I appreciate the time and thought that went into this. I'll bet this, or something close to it, is in one of the other threads. I wouldn't know where to begin to look though.

It's been a long time since I've briefly read part of a realignment thread. I have only read a couple ones on pods, but not this one. Thanks for posting.
Oh man, I’ve seen so many of these proposals that I have ptsd I believe.
 
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Oh man, I’ve seen so many of these proposals that I have ptsd I believe.
I can understand the angst. There have been a lot of discussions about realignment, in various threads. I hope this one won't be a rehash of all of that.

The mods can still delete this thread if they want. I kind of hope they don't now.

It seemed logical, to me, to put a thread about realignment, specifically in the Big 12 forum. Otherwise, they're all spread out. People can read or contribute if they want. There is a lot of change coming.
 
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Without a commissioner presently, the B10's future is completely unknown. I'm just saying that Ku is setting itself up to move, at least that's the conjecture down here for why and how they got a precedent setting $50 million welfare check from Kansas government for Memorial Stadium's redo.
I would be livid if I lived in Kansas and they spent my tax money on that. If KU wants a better stadium, let them pay for it. Not my monkey, not my circus.
 
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Pods make A TON of sense in a 16 team conference because the only teams I really care about playing annually are the Kansas schools. After that it's maybe OSU, but I would rather go to Boulder if you gave me the choice..

Then rotate to play everyone H&H with every school every 4 years at a minimum.. Basketball gets 6 games in your pod and then 6 road and 6 home games against everyone else. You play home and home every other year.
 

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This does not sound like a good deal for the Big 12. Washington is not in a position with the upper hand.
Read the guy's profile.

He doesn't have sources in the Washington athletics department.

He's a **** stirrer.
 
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That’s put everyone’s ****** take on realignment in this thread and dedicate the other to news. I’d be much obliged if that were to happen.