Yeah I'm just trusting my sources more then his. It makes zero sense to take schools outside of the alliance (although i would be totally ok if ISU joined) for a bunch of reasons that the AD's have already spelled out.
Big 12 Expansion (new thread)
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SIAP but did not see this anywhere on CF. TLDR but check out page 9. Round 2 contenders = service academies, Tulane, Rice, USF, Temple, SMU. Keep in mind this analysis is based on a number of factors beyond just football.
As I posted before I love the idea of adding the service academies.
As I posted before I love the idea of adding the service academies.
SIAP but did not see this anywhere on CF. TLDR but check out page 9. Round 2 contenders = service academies, Tulane, Rice, USF, Temple, SMU. Keep in mind this analysis is based on a number of factors beyond just football.
As I posted before I love the idea of adding the service academies.
This was posted a couple of pages ago on this thread if you're interested in looking back.
Could the Kansas football program be in such bad shape they would lose a spot, even if the had to choose two programs not in the ACC & PAC?
In a world where the big ten somehow can't take schools in the other 3 major conferences then ISU and KU are very easily the top 2 with no one else particularly close.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you've never been to Memphis.
I doubt its true but if that is true doesn't that mean the ACC & PAC woud look at the same thing? That would mean 8 teams and ESPN could get the B12 dissolved allowing OU & UT to move to the SEC right away and without exit fees and GOR penalties.
I would have thought it might have been possible before for ESPN to place everyone partly subsidized by ACCN & PACN getting carriage in Texas. Now add highly rated conference semi-final games and its another way to help subsidize the movement of B12 teams to the other leagues.
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SIAP but did not see this anywhere on CF. TLDR but check out page 9. Round 2 contenders = service academies, Tulane, Rice, USF, Temple, SMU. Keep in mind this analysis is based on a number of factors beyond just football.
As I posted before I love the idea of adding the service academies.
Service academies belong in a merger of the AAC & MWC best teams after B12 expansion.
Lot of good info in there. My 2 cents: USF, Temple(!), Navy and AF would be best fits, and the geography works too.SIAP but did not see this anywhere on CF. TLDR but check out page 9. Round 2 contenders = service academies, Tulane, Rice, USF, Temple, SMU. Keep in mind this analysis is based on a number of factors beyond just football.
As I posted before I love the idea of adding the service academies.
Then they can add Tulane and Rice when ISU and KU join the B1G
Memphis >> Boise, but neither make the cut unless you are going to 32 teams.
Hahaha fair I’ve only been once for a weekend. They are going to do very well with NIL and their basketball team is going to be excellent for years to come.
Again we’re talking about something that I don’t think has any basis in reality so sure in that world anything could happen
I can't understand this excitement for so many marginal (or worse) schools and programs. I think if it were up to this board we'd have a 24 school conference (or more) that basically ate its way out of P5.
How does it make sense to take schools that are in the alliance? If the B1G poaches 2 top schools from the ACC or Pac, that will leave the remaining schools in a similar position to the B12 today. An alliance should protect and benefit its members, and I can't see how that can be the case with the B1G expanding from within the alliance.
Its probably a stretch but lets look at it from ESPN's incentive to make this happen, especially if they can get the B1G to take two of the teams. I never thought the B1G would help dissolving the B12 but if there is a financial incentive to them they could go along.
1. ESPN wants OU & UT in the SEC ASAP.
2. ESPN probably wants to avoid the exit fees for OU & UT 160M.
3. ESPN wants to avoid GOR fees assessed to OU & UT. An additional 80-160M?
4. ESPN wants to avoid interference claims which Bowlsby states he has in emails. Who knows what that amount is.
5. Rumored B12 contracts are said to reach upper 20M's to 30M which nobody thought would happen. That kind of lends credence to #4. But also the new B12 can create a lot of 1.5M-2M tv audience games that fit in perfectly with the PAC & ACC contracts. It really doesn't hurt ESPN/FOX to absorb the B12 schools into the existing contracts.
6. ESPN/FOX can use carriage in Texas for the ACC & PAC Networks (assuming Pac gives up control) to help pay for new spots in each of those leagues.
7. ESPN/FOX pick up valuable conference semi-final games within the current FBS football structure.
8. ESPN doesn't have to overpay AAC schools & BYU that they currently have in an extremely low tv deals and they are losing a lot of money by those schools moving up.
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The alliance is about securing the proper contract for the expanded CFP. Nothing else. It isn’t in the big tens best interest to take teams that have been determined to bring less value to the conference just because of a handshake alliance and the AD’s would never approve of that.
Again to be clear I have heard nothing about the big ten looking to expand in the near future they are very happy where they are now.
Was there discussion after the earlier post? I don't know how far back in thread to go to find it ... I didn't encounter until URB's post.
It's fascinating analysis I wish I had more time to indulge. I'm geeky that way.
A random observation so far -- in some contexts, Rice could be the Vanderbilt of the Big 12.
Maybe he thinks standing by the dumb kids makes a person look smarter?
