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It just frustrates me to no end that everyone thinks the way college athletics is headed is bad yet supposedly no one can do anything to stop it. We all just roll over when the powers that be move forward with this. They'll say they're doing this in the interest of the players, paying them what they deserve but really they're just consolidating power into 30 teams so the mega rich can get mega richer.
Each state passed nil bills to not fall behind other states which did pass them. It would take an act of Congress similar in scope to the bill which established the NFL's protected monopoly to put this arms race aside. We all know that's not happening so long as the blue bloods get what they want. It wouldn't surprise me if instead they passed a bill exempting football from title ix.
 

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If you go employee status say good bye to 90% or more of all college sports. People can complain all they want about NIL and transfers which really has changed very little but employee status will destroy college sports
That's why they want to separate football from everything else.
 

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You still can’t escape title 9 or the medical costs that way, that’s why that was never happening in the first place.
If they aren't under the NCAA they can do whatever they want, especially when they go to Congress and play the Blue blood angle.
 

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If they aren't under the NCAA they can do whatever they want, especially when they go to Congress and play the Blue blood angle.
Hahaha no they can’t, they are still institutions getting federal funds, they can’t get around title 9
 

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If you go employee status say good bye to 90% or more of all college sports. People can complain all they want about NIL and transfers which really has changed very little but employee status will destroy college sports
I am not a fan of employee status either, but based on recent legal challenges it seems like the only way that P4 colleges can take back governance of football and men's basketball. Other than having players as employees, the current pay-for-play version of NIL will exist. Making athletes as employees could also create restrictions to athletes transfer 2+ times over their college experience.

When you say 90% of college sports would be gone, that is an exaggeration. Would other than football and men's basketball be funded at current levels at most schools? no. Some Olympic sports could exist more like "club sports" which currently exist on college campuses. It's also possible that football and men's basketball would be spun off from the university so that Title IX would only apply to Olympic Sports.

If schools can fund their NIL collectives with $10M+, they can find a way to make athletes employees and bring some of that NIL Collective money back under university control.
 

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If they aren't under the NCAA they can do whatever they want, especially when they go to Congress and play the Blue blood angle.
I would change that to say as long as football and men's basketball aren't under university oversight, those sports could fall outside university Title IX regulations. Basically, the colleges could sell-off football and men's basketball to investor groups and receive royalties/rent for use of university name and facilities. How much would Alabama, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. be worth to an investor group to run as a for-profit entity?
 

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I would change that to say as long as football and men's basketball aren't under university oversight, those sports could fall outside university Title IX regulations. Basically, the colleges could sell-off football and men's basketball to investor groups and receive royalties/rent for use of university name and facilities. How much would Alabama, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. be worth to an investor group to run as a for-profit entity?
Idk but it makes me want to puke thinking about it.
 

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If they get Congress to pass a law they will. With people like Jim Jordan in control, that isn't out of the realm.
Good luck getting any movement on that when it’s a direct attack on women’s sports and Olympic sports. That’s not even close to happening or being based in reality
 

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Good luck getting any movement on that when it’s a direct attack on women’s sports and Olympic sports. That’s not even close to happening or being based in reality
Have you paid attention to the the tribalism that exists in our politics?
 

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I am not a fan of employee status either, but based on recent legal challenges it seems like the only way that P4 colleges can take back governance of football and men's basketball. Other than having players as employees, the current pay-for-play version of NIL will exist. Making athletes as employees could also create restrictions to athletes transfer 2+ times over their college experience.

When you say 90% of college sports would be gone, that is an exaggeration. Would other than football and men's basketball be funded at current levels at most schools? no. Some Olympic sports could exist more like "club sports" which currently exist on college campuses. It's also possible that football and men's basketball would be spun off from the university so that Title IX would only apply to Olympic Sports.

If schools can fund their NIL collectives with $10M+, they can find a way to make athletes employees and bring some of that NIL Collective money back under university control.
Sports aren’t being spun off from the university, that’s just a horrific take with zero discussion being had around it.

If students are made employees almost all Olympic sports go under unless they have outside funding. Most programs will shut down football. It’s just not survivable
 

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The more casual fan will welcome this as NFL-lite - "employees" or not, they will still enjoy the perception of amatuerism, it will still be "college" football - & over night, their value will skyrocket & the value of other leagues will plummet - the more serious fans (like yourself) are saying now that they won't watch, but most of them probably still will - ratings will increase b/c it will be the only thing on (ESPN & FOX) b/c half the country or more don't have CBS Sports Network or Peacock (where the Cyclones will be broadcast) - they don't care if you watch, b/c they're going to shove it down everyone else's throats
Do you really think ISU fans will just become Iowa or Nebraska fans? Or OK State fans will become OU fans? Or TTU fans will become Texas fans? The XFL just rakes in cash.

That is not happening. Those people are punching out of a Big 10/SEC division completely.
 

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Is that really a worry for the blue bloods, though?
The SEC and Big10 have certainly done their due diligence and forecasting on possible outcomes if they become the power 2. It's not like they're going to make the decision and then say "Oh man, we didn't even consider that some fans of other schools won't watch our product!". That's not how this works, and if they felt there was a significant risk that they would end up in a situation where they would be making less money, you can bet they wouldn't make the move.
If they end up going power 2 it's because they are damned sure that they don't need us.
They do due diligence for the period that those making decisions are going to be in power. Since it’s pretty much a bunch of old ass dudes, I wouldn’t be too confident in any of their projections of the long-term. It doesn’t mean they’ll be wrong, but when a bunch of guys can retire at any time make financial decisions, and they can get a much bigger piece of the pie for the next few years, you can be sure they don’t give two ***** about the possibility of the pie slowly shrinking over 20 years.
 
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Do you really think ISU fans will just become Iowa or Nebraska fans? Or OK State fans will become OU fans? Or TTU fans will become Texas fans? The XFL just rakes in cash.

That is not happening. Those people are punching out of a Big 10/SEC division completely.
Not at all. I think that if the Big10 and SEC decide to go on their own, it's because the numbers tell them that they don't need Iowa State eyeballs much at all.
 

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They do due diligence for the period that those making decisions are going to be in power. Since it’s pretty much a bunch of old ass dudes, I wouldn’t be too confident in any of their projections of the long-term. It doesn’t mean they’ll be wrong, but when a bunch of guys can retire at any time make financial decisions, and they can get a much bigger piece of the pie for the next few years, you can be sure they don’t give two ***** about the possibility of the pie slowly shrinking over 20 years.
And if/when the pie does shrink, they're going to position themselves to take as much of it as they can. And that positioning may include stamping out the competition.

Strengthening your position in the short term, by completing distancing yourself from the competition, financially, is not a bad long term move. It's much better to be on top of the pile now, than it is to claw your way to the top, down the line.
 

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In ten years my Saturdays will be wide open by the sounds of it. The Big 10/SEC will be the next semi pro league that regionalizes itself.
 
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Do you really think ISU fans will just become Iowa or Nebraska fans? Or OK State fans will become OU fans? Or TTU fans will become Texas fans? The XFL just rakes in cash.

That is not happening. Those people are punching out of a Big 10/SEC division completely.
I’ve been going back and forth on this. Not saying super league is going to happen but they would be basically betting that football fans will watch…football.

If ISU/TT gets 800k on ESPN 2 they are betting that those 800k aren’t all ISU and TT fans. They are thinking there are football fans and that if that game isn’t available on ESPN 2 they will just go to the ESPN game between Alabama and Tennesee and not to ESPN+ to watch ISU.

All of this is hypothetical obviously but all those fans on the east coast with no school ties will watch whatever is on ESPN/Fox/CBS/NBC and if you are a diehard Baylor and TCU fan you will pay for the subscription to watch your team.

I doubt if LSU and Georgia were playing the ratings would crater if Big 12 fans boycott. We already watch our own games while those games play and they still get massive ratings.
 
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