Iowa universities betting scandal

[JRE1975]

You can disagree with me, but I think this could have been handled a lot different.

Iowa and Iowa State are well out on the end of the limb, all by themselves on this, and they are going to stay out there for a while. Do you really think that an investigation by any law enforcement group in almost any state (think SEC) other than Iowa is going to do anything other than call up the AD at the state's major schools and say you have a problem, fix it or I am going to fix it for you. Iowa has decided they are going to be the leaders of this charge, we will see how popular this is if Iowa or Iowa State lose any major starters from this mess.

I am sure this investigation didn't start last week, I want to congratulate the Gaming Commission and the DCI for finding around 3% of current athletes at Iowa and Iowa State made mistakes when most estimates are than 25% of athletes across the country gamble. So instead of informing leaders of the problem and letting them fix it this first time, they decided to significantly alter the lives of 41 student athletes and their families. I know they broke the law, but they didn't allow for an individual review of the problem.

If we have senior athletes involved in this, then their college career is over.

This could have been handled better.

 

[carvers4math]

Iowa Code Chapter 99F had a bunch of sports betting junk dumped on there when sports betting became legal. 99F.7 I think has a subsection tacked on about licensees not allowing coaches, players, refs, etc to bet.The Iowa Administrative Code probably spells out rules from Racing and Gaming better but haven’t looked it up.

 

[MJ271]

The best that I can tell, the specific Iowa law that Brommelkamp seems to be referring to is in Iowa Code 99F.7A(4), which is on page 14 here: https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/2023/99F.pdf

It says that any sports wagering licensee "shall employ reasonable steps to prohibit coaches, athletic trainers, officials, players, or other individuals who participate in an authorized sporting event or sports-related event that is the subject of sports wagering from sports wagering under this chapter."

If this is the extent of the law, then it's really more about regulating the sportsbooks and putting the onus on them to keep athletes from betting than it is legislating the athletes themselves.

 

[MJ271]

At the end of the day, these kids sat though a seminar where attendance was mandatory and recorded telling them they couldn't bet. As if that wasn't enough, they signed a document that would abide by the SA code of conduct which has a whole section about how you can not bet on any NCAA sanctioned sport.

Regardless of whether the rule makes sense in 2023, its the rule and a rule they were very familiar with. They deserve any and all punishment that comes their way.

EDIT: And yes, I guarantee it's happening at UNI too and I fully expect that UNI/Drake athletes are the next ones under the gun on this.

I think there are two separate conversations here (which really should probably happen in separate threads). There's the Iowa and Iowa State case and the possible punishments handed down from it. Then there's the NCAA rules (and possibly Iowa laws) and whether or not they're reasonable moving forward. I just want to make clear that all of my posts have been intended to be about the latter conversation.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

I’m surprised the 2 Chris didn’t touch on this on the gambling sponsored show @ChrisMWilliams

 

[Gorm]

I’m surprised the 2 Chris didn’t touch on this on the gambling sponsored show @ChrisMWilliams

 

[CloniesForLife]

This changes a few things:

So it sounds like it's more of a state thing? And that might be why we're seeing it at the Iowa schools and not elsewhere?

 

[CloniesForLife]

I’m surprised the 2 Chris didn’t touch on this on the gambling sponsored show @ChrisMWilliams

I bet they will

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

I’m surprised the 2 Chris didn’t touch on this on the gambling sponsored show @ChrisMWilliams

Can’t imagine why

 

[Dr.bannedman]

I bet they will

Give me the juice

 

[isufbcurt]

Kind of off topic but not really, I watch Channel 13 news almost exclusively, but does anyone else find it ridiculous that they have the local betting guy on during their sports segment?

 

[Kinch]

Now we know the reason Kirk Ferentz keeps junior. A person who finds it hard to go from last to next to last in offense, probably isn’t able to fix games.

 

[cycloner29]

Sure glad that the Iowa basketball team didn’t make throwing a game too obvious. Well, then again Fran would have no clue on how to throw a game.

 

[Kinch]

The big question is, how many games suspensions are there? If it is two or three for football, then the biggest question is who? What does that do to the line for the Iowa game? Or will there be suspensions?

 

[isucy86]

Every SA signs off on the handbook they receive which very clearly outlines the penalties for gambling. These kids knew.

I agree the kids knew. But word of mouth gets around that the NCAA isn't checking, so kids push the envelop.

Look at the areas where NCAA enforcement has become lax or non-existent: Marijuana use, Pay for Play, Improper Benefits, etc. So if their not betting on their schools sports, pretty easy to justify. Especially with schools, networks taking money from casinos and sports books. And the volume of TV/Radio shows dedicated to betting on sport media TV/radio.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

So tennis player at Coe College or UNI can’t bet on the BCS football natty, cause small world? I completely disagree and find no logic there. To think talking is a reason to punish people is a strange take for me.

Are you against all NCAA athletes from gambling at a casino?

Great, you disagree, that does not make the point any more valid. Once you allow them to pick and choose which sports they can bet on, then it becomes impossible to legislate. Oh, FB players cannot bet on football games, but they can on woman's basketball games. You will never be able to enforce a rule like that, its has to be all college sponsored sports are banned or allow them to bet on whatever they want.

 

[Pope]

Great, you disagree, that does not make the point any more valid. Once you allow them to pick and choose which sports they can bet on, then it becomes impossible to legislate. Oh, FB players cannot bet on football games, but they can on woman's basketball games. You will never be able to enforce a rule like that, its has to be all college sponsored sports are banned or allow them to bet on whatever they want.

I disagree as well. The NCAA is fully capable of enforcing a more nuanced rule regarding sports wagering.

No tolerance policies are lazy and unfair. Reminds me of the school district that expels a 4th grader for having a squirt gun in his back pack.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I disagree as well. The NCAA is fully capable of enforcing a more nuanced rule regarding sports wagering.

No tolerance policies are lazy and unfair. Reminds me of the school district that expels a 4th grader for having a squirt gun in his back pack.

I’m not sure what you have seen the NCAA do in the past that makes you think they are capable of nuanced rule enforcement

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I disagree as well. The NCAA is fully capable of enforcing a more nuanced rule regarding sports wagering.

No tolerance policies are lazy and unfair. Reminds me of the school district that expels a 4th grader for having a squirt gun in his back pack.

How are they going to do that? This is one of those all or nothing situations as far as I see it. You are going to have bb players betting on football games, while along they are working out, dining or at least knowing those players. What is to stop inside information to get out and used for their advantage? If they want to bet, then stop playing the sport and they can bet all they want, but while they are playing, betting on games is illegal for them.
Easily monitored, they bet and get caught, they are finished playing college athletics.

 

[wintersmd]

Supposedly there is a state law in Iowa that prohibits members of a sports team from betting on sports. it was part of the law that allowed sports betting in Iowa.

I wonder what they consider "sports"? Organized team activities or anything considered professional or amateur. What about horse racing, auto racing, cricket, ect. I would think that allowing athletes to bet legally will allow oversight and ability to track illegal activity.