Thanks Cyclone62, you're the best! I knew about take downs and reversals but it makes a whole lot more sense when you think about assigning points based on leverage. I always figured since I didn't see many pins that they were hard. I've heard some people refer to wrestlers as "natural pinners;" what does this mean besides they get a lot of pins? One more question - what makes a good shot and how does a wrestler keep his shot from getting blocked?