*** Washington vs Michigan 2024 FB natty game ***
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The problem with this theory is Iowa State has played very well against Texas and Oklahoma the last 5 or 6 years and we were nowhere close to the playoffs.
Maybe in 2020 we would have made it, but that was the weird Covid year.
Yeah Texas defense would've matched up better against Michigan O than Washington O. Would've been quite the battle between Michigan OLine and Texas DLine
ISU is 1-6 against OU the past 7 seasons, with the covid year obv being a little weird. Sure the scores have been fine but that’s still essentially an auto loss. With a 4 team playoff and the non con issues that simply isn’t going to get it done.
But with a 12 team and the autobid the non con issues don’t matter and you take out the auto loss at OU and replace it with a toss up or (in regards to the new additions) a likely win. Not saying ISU should be pencilled in but there is no reason to go into next year and think there isn’t a very realistic shot.
They beat OU in 2017.
I'd guess ISU will ebb and flow to a 7-8ish win season next year and not be a playoff team but hopefully the bowls find ways to be more interesting.
Weird thing to say not even knowing the Big12 schedule. What if you draw a big ten west level of competition?
I'd guess still the same.
Unless something drastically changes for ISU to have consistency and strength in things like the OL and general fundamentals.
The opponents are out just not the dates of when they are being played.
It’s a fine draw but who really knows. Hell, there’s still another transfer portal to get through in the spring. Also, you probably don’t have much experience in this given who you root for haha but at Iowa State you unfortunately can’t pencil in wins.
Fair point, I also didn’t realize the opponents had been announced yet as madguy pointed out.
Kansas and Utah on the road is annoying but outside of those two it sets up really well for ISU, especially with K-state losing most of their offense. If you can get Kansas towards the end of the season could see a trip to the title game.
I think the New Big XII will be a very good fit for ISU and I agree, making a 12 team play-off isn't an impossibility. And, as an ISU fan, I don't mind being an underdog. But the proposal to pay D1 athletes along with the culture where players are making over 1 million per year in NIL money just isn't what college sports should be about. Academics is bound to be an afterthought for too many players. Athletic Department budgets are already way too large. I think it's good that athletes don't have to live in poverty, but I don't think it's good when they earn way more that their professors or the people in the stands.
They've beaten Oklahoma twice, in 2017 and 2020. They also should have beaten them in Norman in 2019. So they could very easily be 3-4 instead of 1-6 against them, that's hardly an automatic loss since Campbell has been here.
I understand the logic, ISU is 6-3 numerous times in the current Big 12, so should be even better because all the teams are more balance. Unfortunately I doubt it's as easy as that.
We can agree to disagree on that but I completely understand and get where you are coming from and know that you’re not alone with this thought
Most of the postgame talk today is about the dominant Michigan defense. Who are considered to be their top picks in the draft?
Well the winner of the Big12 championship game (which would get the auto bid) has been OU or Texas 12 of the last 14 times. With those teams gone that should open up the possibility of a wider variety of teams getting in just by default. ISU has been 6-3 a lot so sub out those teams, get to 8-1 or maybe 7-2 and you should be in the title game where you would play a team fairly evenly matched.
Again not easy or guaranteed but extremely realistic
I'm glad you mentioned the Big 12 championship, that's another instance where we should have beaten them and I forgot about it. So we could very easily have 4 wins against them if a couple plays went differently.
Well, their best NFL prospects are sophomores in Graham, Johnson, Grant, and Moore. Stewart is a junior I believe so he could go. Rod Moore could go. Honestly, for the 2024 draft, they probably don't have anyone that's in the first round. I would think Sainristils size will hold him back, the two LBs are at a devalued position, Josh Wallace will probably get drafted at corner but not high. Same with Paige at safety. It's kind of an odd thing where outside of OL I don't think there is going to be high end draft picks on that roster. Next year could be massive, though, especially if a couple come back and improve. You could make a case their defense doesn't drop off next year, though I wouldn't buy it because I don't think Minter will be there.
Only a tiny fraction of college football players are making anywhere near that in NIL. Most NIL deals are with local businesses. Nailing down actual figures is still tricky but according to Ross Dellenger at SI the average annual NIL payouts for college football players is between $10k and $50k, and only around 5 players per roster on average are making north of $100k per year, and I think he was focusing on SEC programs, so that might be more than other P5 programs.
I don't disagree that any amount of NIL $$$ is a drastic departure from what college football used to be about, but for most players it isn't nearly as lucrative as people think.
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Agree with all of this, this was supposed to be the year the defense took a big step back. Next year almost every key player returns.
Might not have a first or second round pick this year which is wild.
Edit*** corum should go in the second but the RB position is so devalued you never know
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I’d love to read that Dellenger story. I’ve said this before, but I believe a lot of these reported NIL deals are overinflated. In an interview with Joel Klatt on a local Denver radio show he basically said as much.
Every party that reports on these deals has incentive to make them look bigger than they are in reality. The players side, to increase bidding wars between potential suitors, the collective’s side (sorry Blum) to increase donations, the coaches side to get more money for recruits, the media’s side to get more clicks. And there is no way to actually fact check these NIL deals because they aren’t reported anywhere.
I also think we are overvaluing how much money the schools’ fans can actually pony up for these players. Some of these reported NIL deals would be more than NFL teams are willing to pay their starters. Sorry, but Tennessee doesn’t have more money than the Houston Texans
