When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[RedlineSi]

You're ignoring my post where the Rivian beat the EPA number.

Which I have also done myself.

 

[RagingCloner]

I went to the Iowa car show last week and they had a Jeep Grand Wagoneer for $120k. I about fell over.

If you have that much to spend on an SUV, buy a GM or ford product. I sell all 3, and we had a wagoneer on the show floor. the dash squeaked when you pushed on it, not a great sign

 

[dmclone]

You're ignoring my post where the Rivian beat the EPA number.

Which I have also done myself.

Sorry, I'm honestly confused, I didn't see anywhere in the test where the rivian beat the EPA number. In the test it said EPA range 380, MT ROAD-TRIP RANGE 264

 

[3TrueFans]

I remember years ago the lease deals on Jeeps were crazy, I'd imagine that's the only way to "own" that Wagoneer, decent chance it breaks down before you get it back to your driveway.

 

[RedlineSi]

If you have that much to spend on an SUV, buy a GM or ford product. I sell all 3, and we had a wagoneer on the show floor. the dash squeaked when you pushed on it, not a great sign

My sister and bil for some reason love Stellantis products. They've even had a ton of issues over the years and she actually had to have the dealer buy back her Ram TRX. She switched to a GMC Denali pickup and seems much happier, but my BIL STILL wants to stick with his hellcats lol. So, so dumb IMO.

 

[RedlineSi]

Sorry, I'm honestly confused, I didn't see anywhere in the test where the rivian beat the EPA number.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/range-test-2022-rivian-r1s-electric-suv.html No worries. I don't know why we're arguing lol.

 

[RagingCloner]

My sister and bil for some reason love Stellantis products. They've even had a ton of issues over the years and she actually had to have the dealer buy back her Ram TRX. She switched to a GMC Denali pickup and seems much happier, but my BIL STILL wants to stick with his hellcats lol. So, so dumb IMO.

To be fair, nobody really has a factory vehicle equipped like a hellcat, so for that i kind of get it. Stellantis makes great products, but for Jeep trying to get into the luxury vehicle space with the wagoneer, they are not quite there yet lol

 

[RedlineSi]

To be fair, nobody really has a factory vehicle equipped like a hellcat, so for that i kind of get it. Stellantis makes great products, but for Jeep trying to get into the luxury vehicle space with the wagoneer, they are not quite there yet lol

She had a Wagoneer too. I thought it was lovely inside, but the cost of it...and being a Stellantis product. No thanks. I'd much rather have an X5, or something like that.

 

[dmclone]

They also had a Ford Bronco with a monster engine in it. It was also over $100k. I can't imagine going 4 wheelin in a 6 figure vehicle.

 

[RagingCloner]

They also had a Ford Bronco with a monster engine in it. It was also over $100k. I can't imagine going 4 wheelin in a 6 figure vehicle.

typically you dont. its a raptor bronco lol not much of an offroad vehicle

 

[RedlineSi]

They also had a Ford Bronco with a monster engine in it. It was also over $100k. I can't imagine going 4 wheelin in a 6 figure vehicle.

Everyone is different, that's for sure. I know a few Rivian owners who take theirs off-road and beat the outside of it to ****.

I can't stand even a spec of dirt on mine

 

[dmclone]

typically you dont. its a raptor bronco lol not much of an offroad vehicle

 

[Jer]

Found this really interesting. Not sure how it compares to other trucks with open top beds.

Cybertruck tonneau cover an efficiency win, at least 25 miles of range lost when open at 75 mph

A recent Tesla Cybertruck range test revealed that the electric pickup truck can lose in the neighbourhood of 25 miles of range just by opening the tonneau cover. Add to this the additional weight that's likely to be on the bed when the cover is open, and hauling with the Cybertruck starts to...

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[isucy86]

Found this really interesting. Not sure how it compares to other trucks with open top beds.

Cybertruck tonneau cover an efficiency win, at least 25 miles of range lost when open at 75 mph

A recent Tesla Cybertruck range test revealed that the electric pickup truck can lose in the neighbourhood of 25 miles of range just by opening the tonneau cover. Add to this the additional weight that's likely to be on the bed when the cover is open, and hauling with the Cybertruck starts to...

www.notebookcheck.net

Sounds like around a 10% loss with the Cybertruck, I would guess very similar. Payload or adding a camper is a huge mpg killer on ICE trucks. And why a lot of truck owners add a bed cover. Also Jeep wranglers and gladiators are gas hogs because of their boxy front end. Aerodynamics is huge in fuel efficiency.

So 10% seems pretty normal to me. Heck, my car loses around 20% mpg driving Iowa winters.

 

[Gunnerclone]

If you have that much to spend on an SUV, buy a GM or ford product. I sell all 3, and we had a wagoneer on the show floor. the dash squeaked when you pushed on it, not a great sign

I watched a video of a guy that bought a Lambo Urus and he tore in to it. Like just with his hands. Everything was cheap, not secured very well and just came off without much effort on his part (think door panels, dash pieces, air vent surrounds, etc).

 

[RagingCloner]

I watched a video of a guy that bought a Lambo Urus and he tore in to it. Like just with his hands. Everything was cheap, not secured very well and just came off without much effort on his part (think door panels, dash pieces, air vent surrounds, etc).

I believe i saw that one as well. Absolutely insane

 

[mramseyISU]

I watched a video of a guy that bought a Lambo Urus and he tore in to it. Like just with his hands. Everything was cheap, not secured very well and just came off without much effort on his part (think door panels, dash pieces, air vent surrounds, etc).

I mean it is an Italian car.

 

[herbicide]

I mean it is an Italian car.

The MO of Lambo and other Italian makes is weight savings weight savings weight savings. I get that its an SUV, but that is not surprising or upsetting in the least bit to me.

 

[BoxsterCy]

I think pre-covid the average new car was right at $48k. That window is a huge market.

I usually drive my daily driver for around 10 years and each time it comes to buy a year old "new" car I have sticker shock. Das Audi is a 2015 so will be having the sticker shock in a few years and I'll have the daunting task of trying to find a hybrid or EC which will be an adjustment. Might mean leaving the Audi family which I've been in since 2000 or so. The current Audi is the only automatic I've ever owned so I've been pretty old school but not locked into old tech.

 

[VeloClone]

LOL I know about the IH scout because at a job I had one of the supervisors had one. One night during a blizzard it's door didn't shut right and the door spent all night banging into a brand new pickup side. Beat the hell out of it. Didn't hurt the scout door much.

While I was in high school there was a family that had a scout that was handed down from kid to kid to kid to.... It was painted camo and they called it "the bush."