How to "start over"?

[cyclone13]

Lebo hasnt done a thing at Auburn...he would have been another swing and a miss

+1
Lebo turned us down in 2003 when he was at Tenn-Chatt. Or another version: his wife didn't want to move to Ames

 

[wonkadog]

I think we need to get our "hands dirty" similar to Kansas State if there's any hope of not having another dismal 3-4 year run. Floyd fits that bill and would be a familiar name that is still refered to fondly (even if it's not that justified) in the ISU community. Plus, apparently the NCAA is only into penalizing the schools after these slimey coaches leave them rather than hitting the coach.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

False, again.

Pollard didn't "jump the gun" and give McDermott an extension "on the team we had this year". The extension was automatic in McDermott's contract based on the loss of scholarships under the previous coach.

You can't fault Greg for having a good agent. At this point, with what GMac has been put through and is going through, he may just deserve that buy out.

 

[3GenClone]

The two biggest issues that I see popping up are: head coaching change and the lack of hilton magic.

ISU had the answer in the past: Johnny Orr.

The way ISU can get cyclone basketball back on track is to throw money at a big name coach and get them from a big program, much like Orr from Michigan. A big hire would increase interest and get people excited about the program again. It needs to be a name like Bo Ryan or another established coach from a Big 12, Big 10, ACC or Big East school. I don't see how we can go the route of hiring from the mid-major conferences to attempt to find success as that hasn't panned out. Once I find my winning lottery ticket our problems will be solved.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

The extension was automatic in McDermott's contract based on the loss of scholarships under the previous coach.

This is the reason will will still have McD for a while. He started in a really tough spot compared to a "normal" coaching change. Everyone loses athletes with a change but far less lose scholarships at the same time. The simple fact is our At.Dept. does not have the money to can a coach.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Does a Jeff Hornacek or Fred Hoiberg (two guys with zero coaching experience btw) really "excite" high school players?

Outside of Iowa, how many kids do you think even know who Freddie is? Maybe even Hornacek? Jeff has been out of pro ball for a decade or so, hasn't he? High schooler know him? And therefore would they care? Not like we're talking about bringing on some bball legend.

I'm really not on board with this. Great for the fans. Not sure it does zip for recruiting.

We tried the mid-major hot prospect. Just for reference - so did Iowa on several occassions. Not the best results.

For my money - we need to try and poach a top assistant out of a Big 10/Big East school. D1 - major conference experience and recruiting ties.

I think the Hoiberg/Hornacek theory is always aimed more at re-energizing fans than it is recruiting. I think if you brought them in you would have to pair them with the right staff. One good X's and O's assistant from a bigger program and then fill the rest of the staff with K-State style recruiting coaches.

 

[wonkadog]

Does a Jeff Hornacek or Fred Hoiberg (two guys with zero coaching experience btw) really "excite" high school players?

I agree with most of your post. Hoiberg may be somewhat more doable as he could really promote that fact that he has some big-time NBA ties and could get guys to the League.

On another note, I really doubt either guy would care much about coaching right now, but who knows.

 

[CycloneErik]

The two biggest issues that I see popping up are: head coaching change and the lack of hilton magic.

ISU had the answer in the past: Johnny Orr.

The way ISU can get cyclone basketball back on track is to throw money at a big name coach and get them from a big program, much like Orr from Michigan. A big hire would increase interest and get people excited about the program again. It needs to be a name like Bo Ryan or another established coach from a Big 12, Big 10, ACC or Big East school. I don't see how we can go the route of hiring from the mid-major conferences to attempt to find success as that hasn't panned out. Once I find my winning lottery ticket our problems will be solved.

If we had the $..........

 

[CloneIce]

How to "start over?"

New coach, new system, new ideas. Fresh start.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

The way ISU can get cyclone basketball back on track is to throw money at a big name coach and get them from a big program.

Chizik...that's all.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

Does a Jeff Hornacek or Fred Hoiberg (two guys with zero coaching experience btw) really "excite" high school players?

Outside of Iowa, how many kids do you think even know who Freddie is? Maybe even Hornacek? Jeff has been out of pro ball for a decade or so, hasn't he? High schoolers know him? And therefore would they care? Not like we're talking about bringing on some bball legend.

I'm really not on board with this. Great for the fans. Not sure it does zip for recruiting.

We tried the mid-major hot prospect. Just for reference - so did Iowa on several occassions. Not the best results.

For my money - we need to try and poach a top assistant out of a Big 10/Big East school. D1 - major conference experience and recruiting ties.

He is currently working with Kirilenko on shooting. If I were in HS and could have a guy Coach me who played with Stockton, and Malone, went to the NBA Finals and is still teaching Pros how to shoot. I could get excited real quick. That is me though.

 

[MNCyGuy]

I agree with most of your post. Hoiberg may be somewhat more doable as he could really promote that fact that he has some big-time NBA ties and could get guys to the League.

On another note, I really doubt either guy would care much about coaching right now, but who knows.

I don't know, isn't Hoiberg kind of the last holdover from the McHale era staff in Minnesota? I'd imagine his job isn't as safe as some think.

 

[ISUFan22]

Would be ok with Hoiberg or someone like that...as an assistant. If we hired 'em as HC, I'd be hard pressed to support that in any fashion.

Hire a guy with no real coaching experience as the HC of a Big 12 basketball program? Please. Not gonna happen.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

False, again.

Pollard didn't "jump the gun" and give McDermott an extension "on the team we had this year". The extension was automatic in McDermott's contract based on the loss of scholarships under the previous coach.

This. No more automatic extensions in contracts...... EVER!!!!

 

[CloneIce]

False, again.

Pollard didn't "jump the gun" and give McDermott an extension "on the team we had this year". The extension was automatic in McDermott's contract based on the loss of scholarships under the previous coach.

Not entirely correct, you forgot the year based on Jiri driving the wrong car. The extension was based on:

1 year for losing 1 scholarship in year 1 to APR (wouldn't have been filled anyway).

1 year for losing an 2nd scholarship in year 1 to APR (")

1 year for Jiri sitting out 6 non-conference games for driving the wrong car (flat-out inexcusable).

= 9 year contract for a coach who had never coached a game at this level.... apparently 6 years wasn't enough time to rebuilding a basketball program (ridiculous I know).

Bottom line is that terrible contract extension has put our MBB program in a very bad situation now.

 

[DaddyMac]

I think the Hoiberg/Hornacek theory is always aimed more at re-energizing fans than it is recruiting. I think if you brought them in you would have to pair them with the right staff. One good X's and O's assistant from a bigger program and then fill the rest of the staff with K-State style recruiting coaches.

If we've learned anything the past 2-3 years, that is to say that "fans are fickle" is a gigantic understatment.

Win - and they're happy and energized, regardless of who you are. Lose and they'll want to string you up - regardless of who you are, and how "energized" they were on your intro day.

Case in point, Gene Chizik. People were doing back flips the day he was announced, and couldn't wait to be rid of him only two short years later. And much of that was BEFORE he bailed for Auburn.

Personally - I don't think Fred or Jeff stand a chance at ISU. They'd just get a little more rope to work with. They lose and people will immediately be pointing out their lack of experience, even right away.

 

[jsb]

It would need to be someone that would ignite the fanbase, and excite the players. Maybe an Alum, a similar move to Tubby at MN, or Tim Floyd. If not one of these, I don't believe it would be worth it.

This is where a lack of reality comes into play.

1. Name me an alum who is qualified to be a college head coach. I love Fred and think that if he wants into coaching, he would do great. I do worry about someone who hasn't coached a day in his life. I love Jeff Hornecek, but again hasn't coached. If we take a leap with these guys that's great, but I would be worried.

2. I don't know who would be a 'Tubby' type hire. We would have to pay 3x what we are paying McDermott to get this. BTW, Tubby's team is not doing great right now.

3. Tim Floyd isn't coming back. He has bad feelings from when LE was fired. I'd also be leary of him since I think there is more to this OJ Mayo thing.

 

[MNCyGuy]

This. No more automatic extensions in contracts...... EVER!!!!

I don't think you'll ever attract the high-profile, splashy coach we crave without one.

 

[ISUFan22]

Similar questions were asked in the final years of Dan and I was one of the ones asking 'em - how can we do any better? Well, I firmly believe we are in a better place today than we were then in FB.

We need this to go down similar to the FB situation. Show Greg the writing on the wall and hope he resigns (first time I'm typing a clear "Greg needs to go" message and it's tough to do - but must be done). Then avoid making the Chizik mistake (which didn't look like one at the time) and make a solid hire.

Do I have names of who we should get? No. That's not my job, that belongs to our athletic director and whatever group he appoints to assist him in that process.

 

[MNCyGuy]

If we've learned anything the past 2-3 years, that is to say that "fans are fickle" is a gigantic understatment.

Win - and they're happy and energized, regardless of who you are. Lose and they'll want to string you up - regardless of who you are, and how "energized" they were on your intro day.

Case in point, Gene Chizik. People were doing back flips the day he was announced, and couldn't wait to be rid of him only two short years later. And much of that was BEFORE he bailed for Auburn.

Personally - I don't think Fred or Jeff stand a chance at ISU. They'd just get a little more rope to work with. They lose and people will immediately be pointing out their lack of experience, even right away.

I agree. I was just painting a picture of what I think would have to happen to make either of them work as a hire.