***Official KSU at ISU POSTGAME THREAD***

Mumbai1986

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Wait a minute. The last few weeks this board was pinning the lack of effort on McDermott. Now its not the coach who does it? If you are going to kill McDermott for them playing lathargic earlier, you can't say that he had nothing to do with today's great effort.
ISU came out great to start the game. However, like every game this season, the second half we look like a completely different team. So yes, Mcdermott will get praise for the first half, but scorn for the second half.
 

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As much as I liked our effort today as well, it only gets you so far.

Effort and Hustle are aspects of the game you don't coach. You ask your players to give their all to the school, fans, team, etc.

We are losing because of the things you do coach.

All I got to say

Really. I call BS on that. Turnovers, bad decisions, and missed wide open shots cost us that game.

Tell us why you think we lost because of coaching?
 
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Better effort today, but still so frustrating.

GMac just does not fire this team up to start 2nd halves, and he is always out-coached at the start of 2nd halves. The other coach seems to make adjustments if he is ahead or behind, so why not GMac? Team just always seems to come out flat. Time to change the routine some how.

Rebounding was better.....but they still need to learn to grab the damn thing, and not tip it around like it is a volleyball. They all do it........just watch. I hope they are not being coached to do that for some odd reason.

At least the last few games they have started making free throws. That is encouraging if they can keep it up. KSU fouls a lot, and unfortunately today, ISU fell into the trap of fouling them too. The opposing team should never out-score the home team at the free throw line. Can't win that way.

DG cannot play defense. At all. At least not against the opposing teams PG. He just can't keep up with the quickness of the other guards. Too slow to play help defense and get back to cover his man, so Clemente scored double his average today, and shot 75% from 3 point range.

Like I have said before, ISU does not guard the 3 point shot well at all...and that was the case today especially with Clemente.

If the 2nd half had started better, ISU could have been in this game. Can't let a team get a 17-4 run on you to start the half. Just can't happen.

Like your breakdown. The one comment I want to make is about rebounding. That is actually the way K-State rebounds and why they get so many Offensive boards. They are trying to poke it out of the guys hands that are in position and come up with loose ball.
 

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Mac had NOTHING to do with this loss. This was one of the best games I've seen our team play all year.

Just couldn't get it done from behind the arc, missed lay-ups, and costly turnovers again.
 

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Don't remeber ripping on McD personally, however, did see it as you pointed out. I believe their is a fine line between coaching and inspiring...seemed like today we played inspired. Props to McD for getting us to play that way. The other half of the job (coaching) was not done in my opinion (especially in the 1st few min of 2nd half again).
 

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Mac had NOTHING to do with this loss. This was one of the best games I've seen our team play all year.

Just couldn't get it done from behind the arc, missed lay-ups, and costly turnovers again.

I would think he could have done a slightly better job getting this team to come out a little more fired up to start the second half.
 

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Really. I call BS on that. Turnovers, bad decisions, and missed wide open shots cost us that game.

Tell us why you think we lost because of coaching?

You coach fundamentals....turnovers, bad decsions, etc are wiped out when a team is fundamentally sound.
 

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Enginerd, you are totally out of line and owe Frank Martin an apology. No one chooses their parents. The only things we can really control in this world are our thoughts, words, and actions. Your words do not say good things about you.
 

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Really. I call BS on that. Turnovers, bad decisions, and missed wide open shots cost us that game.

Tell us why you think we lost because of coaching?

I am with you on this post. We made two shots to start the second half before then missing our next 6 while KSU made there shots on the little run they had. A few turnovers did not help. We are put into position to make shots and many are open and we are not doing it. Not sure how that always turns around to coaching on these boards. 1-13 or something like that from three. Even 4-13 which is still below our noraml and we are never in such a hole and have a great chance at victory.
 

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Like your breakdown. The one comment I want to make is about rebounding. That is actually the way K-State rebounds and why they get so many Offensive boards. They are trying to poke it out of the guys hands that are in position and come up with loose ball.

I know what you are saying about the rebounding. Yes, that is what KSU does, but they are also more athletic as a team than ISU is. Hamilton needs to grab the damn ball, because he is not fast enough to chase after it. MG usually does a good job of grabbing it and CB is getting better....but too often the ball slips off their fingertips and goes out of bounds, or to the opposing player. Also, if you noticed, KSU's guards are very active at rebounding. Of course, a lot of that comes from their ability to drive (and ISU's inability to stop the drives) and following their own shots. It's just a matter of ISU being more physical and taking ownership of the ball.
 

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What makes a loss in a loosing season even more miserable?

Dress your players and fans up in pink so that they look even more like pushovers.
Did they have to go with the pink tennis shoes? How fru fru.
 

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Diante owes me a new remote.

Can we be done with that experiment and just move on to Colvin.

Brackins was a man today but just didn't have a ton of help.

K States guards are really really good and as much as I hate to say it, Martin can coach.
 

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What makes a loss in a loosing season even more miserable?

Dress your players and fans up in pink so that they look even more like pushovers.
Did they have to go with the pink tennis shoes? How fru fru.

Great cause. The only positive from todays game.
 

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Mac had NOTHING to do with this loss. This was one of the best games I've seen our team play all year.

Just couldn't get it done from behind the arc, missed lay-ups, and costly turnovers again.


Ahhh... I nearly fell into your trap.
Fortunately the sarcasm meter peaked just as I hit the quote button.
 

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You coach fundamentals....turnovers, bad decsions, etc are wiped out when a team is fundamentally sound.

I would bet my house that Mac addresses these in practice. At some point it is up to the players to execute and NOT turn it over or make the same dumb mistakes.

I'll say it again, coaching did NOT cost us this game. I've been hard on Mac a lot over the past few weeks but only when I feel its deserved. Today it isn't deserved.