GMAC Is well Respected by Peers and Media

[Tornado man]

These comments are so off base it's completely ridiculous. I'm not much of a defender anymore, but coaches don't patronize fellow coaches by buttering them up in the media by saying they're great coaches in hopes the school would keep them around for an easy win or two. Such a comment is so shallow it would be seen through and the coaches making those statements would lose tons of respect nationally. If one coach says another coach is a good coach, he means that he is a good coach.

C'mon now. Coaching is a tight fraternity, and I don't doubt for a second that they rush to defend embattled coaches.
Before Jim Wooldrige was fired at K-State, conference coaches were falling all over themselves talking about how "well-coached" his teams were. K-State still fired him, hired Huggins, and the rest is history.
I read comments this season from Self, Barnes, etc. extolling the coaching talents of Doc Sadler and Pat Knight as well as Gmac.
If you think these coaches mean every word they say, I've got a bridge to sell you...

 

[isunomad]

I am really split on this. It's almost the same situation as McCarney. Everyone loved Mac as well as GMac but in the end it ended ugly. I really want McDermott to suceed here but it just hasn't panned out like we all have wished it would. If we fire him we start all over in a bigger hole then we are now but if we keep him we are stuck with what we have now and have to hope he can surpise us so what is really the best option? His buyout will be expensive and getting a better coach here will be a tough task so we really are in a tough spot...

Indeed. This definitely feels a lot like the fall of 2006 before McCarney stepped down. I think that situation was more difficult, as Dan had a much longer tenure and brought success to a football program that badly needed it.

 

[Die4Cy]

Indeed. This definitely feels a lot like the fall of 2006 before McCarney stepped down. I think that situation was more difficult, as Dan had a much longer tenure and brought success to a football program that badly needed it.

Not really analogous. If this were Dan McCarney, you'd have had him fired in 1998 after his fourth season and never had him as ISU's coach for the five bowl games. Gene Smith knew Dmac was moving the program forward at that point, even though there was pressure to pull the plug.

Two years later we won nine games.

I am really surprised you brought this up.:wideeyed:

Nobody gets to lose for four years at ISU. They never become a winner. LOL

 

[SplitIdentity]

People who have very good basketball knowledge other big twelve coaches and the big 12 media for example all have the utmost respect for GMAC and his ability to coach and recruit. They know he is a good coach and has the ability to lead Iowa State. Expect Jamie Pollard to come out this week or at the Big 12 tourney and give GMAC his full support. He is not going anywhere and we as loyal good bball fans will support this decsion and the team next year. Stay Loyal Clones do not turn into Rat like Hawk fans turning on the program and the Proud Cyclone Nation.

Rat like Iowa fans? Is that really necessary?

So people who don't tolerate super-suckage in a sport are "rat-like"?

I'm not pleased with Mac's success here at ISU. Nor am I pleased with Lick's at Iowa. If that makes me a rat, so be it.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Don't even compare the situation Dan came into to what Greg came into. Our MBB was one year removed from the NCAA tournament.

 

[alarson]

Not really analogous. If this were Dan McCarney, you'd have had him fired in 1998 after his fourth season and never had him as ISU's coach for the five bowl games. Gene Smith knew Dmac was moving the program forward at that point, even though there was pressure to pull the plug.

Two years later we won nine games.

I am really surprised you brought this up.:wideeyed:

This isnt the first time ive seen a post like this, but it pisses me off and is a disrespect to coach McCarney. McDermott walked into a much better situation than McCarney, who basically started with *nothing*. Years and years of failure before him. Mcdermott walked into a program that had been in the postseason 2 of the previous 3 years, including an NCAA berth and an NIT final 4.

Meanwhile, in terms of conference wins, McDermott has regressed, with 6, 4, 4, and (barring a miracle this weekend) 3 wins in conference, and placements of 7th, 11th, 10th, and 11th.

In addition, in 1998, McCarney snapped a 15 game losing streak to Iowa. After 4 years, what is McD's signature win?

 

[Die4Cy]

Where on the "fan scale" do the guys go who admit they won't even watch ISU basketball anymore if the coach is not summarily fired at the end of the season? The ones that vow never to buy tickets again? High up there or down at the bottom?

Rhetorical question.

 

[clone34]

I am excited about the juco gaurd but that is it. Does Gmac know he can leave the state to recruite players. I do not understand why people thinks it takes 5 years to compete in bball. Football takes time but bball ? I know it is an extreme case but caliparie took over a NIT UK team and look at them now. It has been one year, one great recruiting class but neverless one dang year. College bball is all about the coach recruiting and toughness we have neither.

 

[Die4Cy]

McCarney regressed in wins in his first three years and only won a single conference game in each of his first five.

If you are saying that a team can improve without it showing up in wins, I will agree with you. If you are saying that it takes a long time to recover a program from a decimated state I would agree with that too.

If you are saying no coach should ever get more than four years to prove his ability to win DMac is a good example of why you are probably wrong.

And another thing. How many players from that NCAA qualifying team did Greg McDermott ever get to coach? Rashon Clark. So lets not pretend the program was in such great shape when he got here. The team the year before finished in 10th place in the league ONE YEAR REMOVED FROM THE NCAAS, and only one win above the .500 mark. The best two players were gone, no matter what.

One of the reasons Mac has the heavy extended contract that he has is due to the shape the program was in when he walked in the door. It wasn't good.

 

[Ficklone02]

These comments are so off base it's completely ridiculous. I'm not much of a defender anymore, but coaches don't patronize fellow coaches by buttering them up in the media by saying they're great coaches in hopes the school would keep them around for an easy win or two. Such a comment is so shallow it would be seen through and the coaches making those statements would lose tons of respect nationally. If one coach says another coach is a good coach, he means that he is a good coach.

I understand that there's a lot of dislike for GMac at this point, and I'm no fan anymore either, but can we please start acting like the adults that most of us are - or if that's too difficult at least stop making **** up? There's plenty of rope to hang him with without having to pile on fallacies...

The next time a coach makes disparaging comments about another coach let me know. The only coach in the history of coaching that I can remember belittling another coach on purpose in the media was Spurrier at the height of his powers at Florida.

To me, whatever they say about each other means nothing....its bad PR for their programs to talk down about other coaches.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

McCarney regressed in wins in his first three years and only won a single conference game in each of his first five.

If you are saying that a team can improve without it showing up in wins, I will agree with you. If you are saying that it takes a long time to recover a program from a decimated state I would agree with that too.

If you are saying no coach should ever get more than four years to prove his ability to win DMac is a good example of why you are probably wrong.

Cannot compare football to basketball. Not to mention, as much as I love DMac, it is not fair to say that it could not have been better those 12 years. Other coaches could have turned it around much sooner, and to a greater degree.

 

[Die4Cy]

I am excited about the juco gaurd but that is it. Does Gmac know he can leave the state to recruite players. I do not understand why people thinks it takes 5 years to compete in bball. Football takes time but bball ? I know it is an extreme case but caliparie took over a NIT UK team and look at them now. It has been one year, one great recruiting class but neverless one dang year. College bball is all about the coach recruiting and toughness we have neither.

You are comparing the ISU situation to the quick "turnaround" at Kentucky. Kentucky.The place where they always get a top five recruiting class. A place where they have won 7 national championships.

I'm done.

 

[clone34]

Well I did say extreme case, you may have missed that. Billie and Tubby were both at kentucky and could not get it done. I know Tubby won a NC with Pitino's players. What I am saying is it takes one or two kids to be competitive. Caliparie is not pampering Wall, they had a big blow up that was on ESPN. They play hard. Do they play hard because they are at Kentucky, no they play hard because the coach requires and demands it.

 

[isunomad]

Not really analogous. If this were Dan McCarney, you'd have had him fired in 1998 after his fourth season and never had him as ISU's coach for the five bowl games. Gene Smith knew Dmac was moving the program forward at that point, even though there was pressure to pull the plug.

Two years later we won nine games.

I am really surprised you brought this up.:wideeyed:

Nobody gets to lose for four years at ISU. They never become a winner. LOL

Allow me to clarify. As far as division within the fan base this feels very much like fall 2006. Mac and McD are the polarizing figures in both instances. I don't have anything against McD personally. I simply want what is best for the long-term health of the program. We obviously have differing opinions on what the best course of action is at this point in time. I have yet to see anything to convince me that McD will be successful at ISU. I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

 

[clone136]

Wait, McD is still the Coach? I thought we hired Billie Gillespie before the Missouri Game? Did I miss something?

 

[ca4cy]

Great point about needing more than four years. It may take 5 or 6 years. BTW ISU has been competitive in just about every game they played in conference this year. They have played 12 conf games decided by one possesion in the last minute of they game they have been very compettive and just need to find a way to win.

Being competitive is nice and all, but at some point you have to kick down the door and win a game. He's been "competitive" for 4 years but has ZERO wins of note, and the plot line is pretty much always the same. We don't execute offensively and/or defensively down the stretch and we lose. He's been making mistakes for 4 years, and though he may be willing to admit it, I'm not sure he has the ability to correct them. At this point you can tape John and Eric and replay it for every game. You'd think at some point we'd get lucky and somebody would throw in a Hail Mary, but of course that would require us getting a shot off.

And as others have said, who gives a rats *** what the other coaches say? It's coach speak. Saying another coach is respected ranks right up there with "we won the 2nd half" and "Northwestern Southern Eastern State U is a quality opponent." Have you ever heard a coach come right out and say "that guy sucks"? Of course not. What the hell else are they gonna say when somebody sticks a mic in their face and asks them about another coach?

We can't afford to buy GMac out. Pollard may come out and say he "supports GMac", but in reality, he'll be saying that "we're stuck with him because I don't know how to negotiate contracts." Things are going to get worse before they get better. My fear is that we are going to witness the death of Cyclone basketball as we've known it since Johnny came to town and we're headed for the days of Trickey and Nance.

 

[joefrog]

Great point about needing more than four years. It may take 5 or 6 years. BTW ISU has been competitive in just about every game they played in conference this year. They have played 12 conf games decided by one possesion in the last minute of they game they have been very compettive and just need to find a way to win.

Reality check: just because the score is close, that doesn't mean the teams are. I am sick of people assuming that ISU always got the other team's best effort. We have not. How could we? Other teams and the media do not fear ISU, or respect us in men's bball. They are laughing at us now. We are not a threat. The other team, outside of Nebraska, knows it is going to win. They count us as a W before we even play.

My word. We have not been relevant in years. Hilton Magic is dead as disco. Close scores at the end of games doesn't mean the teams were close, it just means things were somewhat interesting, but the better team won. Consistently.

Why the **** would ISU hold on to a coach whose players and system, in four years of trying, is yet to come up with an upset over a ranked opponent or a signature win? None in four years. And people are arguing for more of this ****? Face it: McD is a miserable failure at ISU and is in over his head. He is bringing in mostly MVC talent to play in a BCS conference, that is why we always end up on the short end. He has shown us nothing in 4 years to make us believe that will change in the future. Nothing.

 

[el tornado]

Because everyone else in the Big 12 destroys him regularly. Of course they love him

My thoughts exactly

 

[dcxme1183]

C'mon now. Coaching is a tight fraternity, and I don't doubt for a second that they rush to defend embattled coaches.
Before Jim Wooldrige was fired at K-State, conference coaches were falling all over themselves talking about how "well-coached" his teams were. K-State still fired him, hired Huggins, and the rest is history.
I read comments this season from Self, Barnes, etc. extolling the coaching talents of Doc Sadler and Pat Knight as well as Gmac.
If you think these coaches mean every word they say, I've got a bridge to sell you...

Agreed. Coaches stick by each other. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're praising him to keep him around for an automatic win, but I would say that their praise doesn't necessarily amount to a whole lot more than lip service. Fellow coaches used to praise Walden back in the day- Is anyone here going to defend him? (And before you do, yes, I'm aware Criner killed the program. I don't think that justifies Walden's 0-10-1 record 8 years later.)

 

[Palmer]

why would any of the boys on the block be happy if the one girl that put out moved away...