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A guy in JP's position is charged with building the donor list. His "response" looks very petty/unprofessional and does nothing to encourage the writer to help change the situation by becoming an investor in the program. If he wanted to shine a light on the guy's lack of donations, he could have done it in a more positive way and actually given the guy a few reasons why he should donate. Instead, he gave the guy both barrels.

JP's response probably made JP feel pretty good, but now the guy is lost forever. If JP gets a bug up his arse every time a non-donor sends a note in, well, that's not going to be great. Would have expected more, which makes me hope this is a complete fabrication.
The guy has been "lost" for some time! He is a student at Marquette University. Not much to lose there:yes: for ISU!
 

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Not reading this entire thread, but IF that is a real email, I support JP 100%.

You would.

IF and thats a big IF the email is real this is quite possibly the dumbest thing JP could have done (other than extending McD).

Why would you ever alienate a donor(if this guy is who he says he is) or anyone who could potentially become a donor.

Let me ask you a question: How many successfull business owners have an attitdue like this? Not very many. If this email is real JP should have done the PC thing and gave him some BS form letter about how he appreceiates this persons concerns however after serious consideration ISU has decided to support McD and the current direction of the MBB.

Why drop to this guys level?? Poor decision IMHO.

If this is real it is poor PR for him and ISU in a time where we do not need anymore negativity.
 

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I didn't say it wasn't. But there's no reason for you to carry this over to your own situation.

You saying that this guy was threatening to stop watching TV? That was what he was trying to convey in that email.

Nice try.
Thats not what I am say, I said THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SUPPORT THE TEAM THAN JUST BUYING TICKETS!
 

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Thats not what I am say, I said THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SUPPORT THE TEAM THAN JUST BUYING TICKETS!

TRUE! (though I'd try the all caps thing too).

Perhaps this emailer should try a few of those "other ways" outside the buck ISU makes off licensing on apparel (which Mom and Dad probably bought anyway), before making such threats.
 

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Great a loud mouth who doenst even go to the games. JP should of been a little more direct love it "Go Clones." Jon Miller and Deace are clueless who listens to those guys to start your day. They are like the news paper they want to create plane wrecks to talk about. They never tell the true story, exagerate and are not any good at what they do... That why they have that time slot.
 

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JP has gone on record many times to say he checks to see if those writing are donors.
 

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That is simply incorrect. They are entertainers who give their opinions.
Therefore they are not bound by the "rules" of hard-news journalism.

When they make a living out of interviewing newsmakers and "breaking news" themselves, including posting documents and indicating they are something that they may or may not be, they are acting as journalists and as such should consider themselves bound by the ethics of journalism.

They can't have it both ways.

If a columnist (who makes a living out of writing opinion) puts something in their column that is false and presents it as fact, they are subject to the same ethics. A columnist who presents something as fact (not opinion) which is proven to be not factual, they have a pretty good chance of getting fired. I would bet that the majority of columnists for reputable papers put "journalist" as their profession on their tax return. How is what the sports radio "entertainers" do any different than a columnist other than the media?
 

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You do realize that it was a response to a single "fan" who did nothing in his initial email but rip the team, staff and program - and PROMISED to no longer fund the program?

"I see no improvement and until I do I will not be putting any of my money into your program"

This guy threatened to deny something he doesn't provide in the first place. JP called him on it.

It's not a blanket statement of lack of support across the fan base and those who don't donate.

this.
 
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When they make a living out of interviewing newsmakers and "breaking news" themselves, including posting documents and indicating they are something that they may or may not be, they are acting as journalists and as such should consider themselves bound by the ethics of journalism.

They can't have it both ways.

If a columnist (who makes a living out of writing opinion) puts something in their column that is false and presents it as fact, they are subject to the same ethics. A columnist who presents something as fact (not opinion) which is proven to be not factual, they have a pretty good chance of getting fired. I would bet that the majority of columnists for reputable papers put "journalist" as their profession on their tax return. How is what the sports radio "entertainers" do any different than a columnist other than the media?

1- Not true. They are not journalists. They do not pretend to be.

2-What did they present that was false?
 

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Exactly, but its not like he has ever gotten anything right in the past, probably was him. I could see an email like this coming from him, he is putting his job on the line for keeping McDermott.

I hope you are kidding. JP has never got anything right here? If thats what you are saying you are smoking something good. Send me a case of it buddy. Imagine where we would be with BVDV still at the helm...:no:
 
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1- Not true. They are not journalists. They do not pretend to be.

2-What did they present that was false?

1. They do PRETEND to be.

2. Read back over my posts. I never said they did publish anything that was false. I said that they have a responsibility to fact check. To this point neither of those involved who have followed and contributed to this thread have volunteered that they did any fact checking. They simply said they gave Pollard a regular invitation to the show (paraphrasing). They volunteered a lot to leave an important detail like that out. I have been very careful to not suggest anything regarding the veracity of the email they posted. If I have said anything of the sort, please quote it and I will be happy to retract it.
 

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When they make a living out of interviewing newsmakers and "breaking news" themselves, including posting documents and indicating they are something that they may or may not be, they are acting as journalists and as such should consider themselves bound by the ethics of journalism.

They can't have it both ways.

If a columnist (who makes a living out of writing opinion) puts something in their column that is false and presents it as fact, they are subject to the same ethics. A columnist who presents something as fact (not opinion) which is proven to be not factual, they have a pretty good chance of getting fired. I would bet that the majority of columnists for reputable papers put "journalist" as their profession on their tax return. How is what the sports radio "entertainers" do any different than a columnist other than the media?

Cyhart since you are willing to respond to part of my email, how about answering my question...
 
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BryceC

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How is what the sports radio "entertainers" do any different than a columnist other than the media?

How is what they do different than what David Letterman does? Do you consider David Letterman to be a journalist?
 

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1. They do PRETEND to be.

2. Read back over my posts. I never said they did publish anything that was false. I said that they have a responsibility to fact check. To this point neither of those involved who have followed and contributed to this thread have volunteered that they did any fact checking. They simply said they gave Pollard a regular invitation to the show (paraphrasing). They volunteered a lot to leave an important detail like that out. I have been very careful to not suggest anything regarding the veracity of the email they posted. If I have said anything of the sort, please quote it and I will be happy to retract it.

1- I guess we disagree. Im also guessing that you and I differ on our opinions on censorship.

2-I dont know the rules on that for certain, but I would definitely think that they would want to fact check for the purpose of credibility.
 

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When they make a living out of interviewing newsmakers and "breaking news" themselves, including posting documents and indicating they are something that they may or may not be, they are acting as journalists and as such should consider themselves bound by the ethics of journalism.

They can't have it both ways.

If a columnist (who makes a living out of writing opinion) puts something in their column that is false and presents it as fact, they are subject to the same ethics. A columnist who presents something as fact (not opinion) which is proven to be not factual, they have a pretty good chance of getting fired. I would bet that the majority of columnists for reputable papers put "journalist" as their profession on their tax return. How is what the sports radio "entertainers" do any different than a columnist other than the media?[/QUOTE]

Cyhart since you are willing to respond to part of my email, how about answering my question...

Lets take a controversial Tv program like say, The Oreilly Factor. That is an opinion/entertainment program as well as much as people want to paint it as the opposite. Opinion/editiorials are not the same as hard news journalism.
 

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1- I guess we disagree. Im also guessing that you and I differ on our opinions on censorship.

2-I dont know the rules on that for certain, but I would definitely think that they would want to fact check for the purpose of credibility.

Which is why they have none.
 

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