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Yeah.. I can't pay rent or my car payment or even pay for food... But i'm going to get that game ticket for ISU vs UNLV or what not just so I'm a real fan that should be taken serious.:skeptical:
What is the definition of giving in your book? If the guy has 10 articles of ISU clothing, an ISU license plate, maybe a couple of ISU window flags for his car, do those count? Sure, he's not donating like Jacobson, but every cent counts. He's spending his hard earned cash on ISU, indirectly, but still spending it. His opinion counts.
Yeah it's opinion for the most part unless your giving some factual information. A hawk fan could point out that we went 7-6 last year in football, which would be the truth and we would ***** cause a hawk pointed it out.
I don't think you can 100% measure value by how much money you've given. What if you're 20 years old, go to college, your parents give you $500 cash per semester for food and whatever, and once for your birthday they gave you an ISU shirt. You happen to be a die hard clone fan and grew up going to ISU football games with your immediate family. Let's say since your parents still support you, they're nice enough to take you on vacation every summer to New York City and you wear your Cyclone shirt around since you love ISU. That's publicity in an area of the country where many people visit and live that normally don't see cyclone shirts.
What I'm saying is just because you don't have the money to donate or buy tickets, doesn't mean you aren't a die hard fan and shouldn't be listened to and aren't valuable. There's more ways to measure fandom than who spends money on the program.
And in no way are they taking a "dump" in our park. They gave their opinion and it's everyone else getting ****** cause they aren't Cyclone fans. Even though some of their opinions are dead on and make more sense then some fans. To which the fans make a comeback of..... Well your a hawk fan we don't care.. Mommy a hawk fan made more sense then me.
You are wrong. When I was a kid, I leaned more towards the Hawkeyes. Once I saw the arrogance of their fanbase it was an easy choice. I'm am not kidding myself either. You picked this battle because a) you thought we as Cyclone fans would love to hear your opinion about our AD or b) you knew our fanbase was divided on it and you saw the safety in numbers.
My undies just popped out of their bunch.
It could almost be interpreted as a silent warning too... Depends what way you look at it. Almost like this email.
If I'm Jamie, it's to explain my position and show the short sightedness of the kid's. Maybe or maybe not he chooses his words differently if he knows the jack hole is going to forward it to the sports talk weasels.
I didn't read all 48 pages of this thread, but one of the letter writers you mentioned did not request Mac's termination. Don't know about the other.
There's no way he knows the kid is only 20, but it really doesn't matter. If you're unwilling to donate, or even buy season tickets for that matter, your opinion, while valued, doesn't count for much. The fact that his parents do is irrelevant.
OK, I'm not bagging on people who can't afford tickets. They have every right to be a fan and I'm sure that JP encourages it. Every little bit helps. BUT, to think that your criticism should be taken seriously and then be offended when it's not is idiotic. It's not that your opinion is meaningless, but it shouldn't be thought of as super important either. It, justifiably, should rate pretty low down the ladder.
I like an outsiders opinion from time to time. Until they start acting like a jerk, which isn't the case here. He has represented himself well and all I see are jerk Cyclone fans.
"1. Yesterday I received over a hundred emails following our letter to ticket holders and donors. Interesting enough, of all the emails I received, the only negative one was from you. Glad to know that your feelings are not shared by the majority of other Cyclone fans."
There is no way that fans are 100 to 1 in favor of retaining GM.
"2. Although I appreciate your passion and desire to write me, I only wish you had the same passion in helping be part of the solution by joining the Cyclone Club or being a season ticket holder. Our records indicate you have never made a donation, purchased season tickets or even purchased a single game ticket from our department. Unfortunately, athletics is like politics - people have a lot of answers but never many solutions."
Part of the solution? How would more money have created better free throw shooting, rebounding, shot selection etc. this season? Doesn't the use of the word solution indicate there is a problem? If so, aren't the AD and the Head coach responsible for resolving that? The comparison to politics is accurate -- in both instances those in power are out of touch and deign to tell those "beneath them" what is best for them.
"3. For someone who claims to be a Cyclone fan for as long as you can remember, it it amusing to me that you never have supported the program that you so claim to love. Rather than spending time worrying about what Orr, Grayer, Hornacek, and others would think - I think you should be more worried about yourself. Your email is actually rather embarrassing given your lack of action."
Actually what is embarrassing is 18 conference wins in 4 years, 0 NCAA Tournament appearances, 0 Big Twelve tournament wins, losing to South Dakota State, player attrition, lack of fundamentals etc. etc. etc.
"Thanks again for your email. I do appreciate it. I also hope you give some thought to my question about joining the Cyclone Club or purchasing season tickets. You can't expect better results if all you are willing to do is sit on the sidelines and write an email to the Athletics Director."
No, we can't expect any better results from a coach who has already promised us that he is not going to change anything...
This fan got roasted for speaking the truth. The truth is that JP has nothing with which to defend this coaching regime or the ridiculous contract which he rewarded GM with. Now he is backed into a corner and is unable to admit that mistakes were made. This is coming from a huge JP fan, FB season ticket holder, single game BB purchaser and 27 year Cyclone fan.
There is no way that fans are 100 to 1 in favor of retaining GM.
"2. Although I appreciate your passion and desire to write me, I only wish you had the same passion in helping be part of the solution by joining the Cyclone Club or being a season ticket holder. Our records indicate you have never made a donation, purchased season tickets or even purchased a single game ticket from our department. Unfortunately, athletics is like politics - people have a lot of answers but never many solutions."
Part of the solution? How would more money have created better free throw shooting, rebounding, shot selection etc. this season? Doesn't the use of the word solution indicate there is a problem? If so, aren't the AD and the Head coach responsible for resolving that? The comparison to politics is accurate -- in both instances those in power are out of touch and deign to tell those "beneath them" what is best for them.
"3. For someone who claims to be a Cyclone fan for as long as you can remember, it it amusing to me that you never have supported the program that you so claim to love. Rather than spending time worrying about what Orr, Grayer, Hornacek, and others would think - I think you should be more worried about yourself. Your email is actually rather embarrassing given your lack of action."
Actually what is embarrassing is 18 conference wins in 4 years, 0 NCAA Tournament appearances, 0 Big Twelve tournament wins, losing to South Dakota State, player attrition, lack of fundamentals etc. etc. etc.
"Thanks again for your email. I do appreciate it. I also hope you give some thought to my question about joining the Cyclone Club or purchasing season tickets. You can't expect better results if all you are willing to do is sit on the sidelines and write an email to the Athletics Director."
No, we can't expect any better results from a coach who has already promised us that he is not going to change anything...
This fan got roasted for speaking the truth. The truth is that JP has nothing with which to defend this coaching regime or the ridiculous contract which he rewarded GM with. Now he is backed into a corner and is unable to admit that mistakes were made. This is coming from a huge JP fan, FB season ticket holder, single game BB purchaser and 27 year Cyclone fan.
I know I was.... And I knew you didn't mean that either.... Just goes to show exactly how easy it is to take things out of context or find a different meaning.
It seems like at least 7 out of 10 people in this thread think what Pollard did was the right thing to do, so there isn't any safety in numbers going on. There are people in this thread who think that Pollard should have taken the high road, but their voices are quickly drowned out.
Which begs the question. Do people who say, buy season basketball tickets, really always know what they're talking about when it comes to basketball?
