How does a conference like the Big 10

[Clones85']

Big ten did pretty well this year in bowl games dont you think?

5-3. First winning record in 10 years in bowl games. Still dead last the last 10 years in bowl records. Still a mediocre conference however you want to look at it.

I'm not trying to get into a rip on the Big 10 thread. I just think it is odd that other conferences don't try and mirror what the big 10 does financially. Other conferences are having more success on the field but nowhere close off. Why not make a change?

 

[Clark]

I realize this. Here is my question. Why won't the president of the Big 12 make the change when he sees the potential for his conference to be pulled apart? Does Texas pretty much have him in his pocket? It is successful for the Big 10, why not do it for the Big 12? Who cares if Texas has to share a little, they will still have more money than anyone.

What happens to the Big 12 if Texas leaves? Contrast that to what happens to the Big 12 if the entire Big 12 North leaves. Which do you think would cost the big 12 the most, or to put it another way, which would be easier to replace?

 

[CloneIce]

Money and good leadership.

They are very smart and forward thinking in how they share the wealth among the members of the conference, rather than just giving most of the revenue to the rich teams. It benefits all members of the conference which helps them from top to bottom. Other schools would love to get in a conference like that.

Also Big 10 is strong academically, which helps as well. Really there is only a handful of Big 12 teams at the academic level of Big 10 schools, ISU being one of them.

 

[Clones85']

The population makes sense to me. I know the Big 12 will never be able to match that, but that doesn't mean we can't revenue share and have a Big 12 network.

 

[tiberius]

I think the btn was able to coerce the cable companies into putting them on basic because direct was using it as a marketing ploy to get people to switch. When it comes time to renogitiate I doubt they are able to keep it so lucrative, most sports fans are already on directtv and the programming has nothing for someone who is not a rabid big 10 fan.

 

[Melvin]

Good question:

The Big 10 had the stones to go out a get a TV Network when the Economy was booming. If they tried to start that now, they would only get 1/2 the revenue the currently do. It will be interesting when the Big 10 Network come up again, but if the economy is booming, they will probably make out pretty good again.

I really hope Mizzou doesn't bolt, it would be bad for the Big 12.

 

[TarHeelHawk]

who hasn't been the best conference in football or basketball in YEARS have so much power? I know it's all about the money....so my question is how is that conference smarter than all the other conferences in getting money? I know they have a lot of viewers in there area to help get them on TV more. It just seems odd that a conference that probably ranks 4th in terms of success the last 10 years in football/basketball combined has so much power to completely change the way conferences are aligned.

Why don't other conferences see the success that the Big 10 is having financially and try to mirror what they do, rather than having teams leave to join them? Just think how successful they could be. They already beat up on the Big 10 on the field. If they improve financially they could beat them even more. I just don't get it, but I will be honest, I haven't paid any attention to the talks so far so my post could be idiotic. :wink:

Go easy on me fellow CF'ers

Should have stopped right there.

 

[Clones85']

I'm not calling you a liar or anything but could you post those records?

Sure

BIG 10
26-37

ACC

33-33

BIG EAST

21-15

BIG 12

35-35

PAC 10

28-24

SEC

44-26

 

[flipper]

It's the research CIC Home Page

And the revenue sharing.

Football records has very little to do with it. Federal research $$$ is where the money is.

 

[ozhawk]

. Still a mediocre conference however you want to look at it.

However you look at it? What if one wanted to look at it in terms of size of fan base and television sets? The reason why is because the big 10 has a huge huge fan base to tap into financially.

Why not make a change?

Why would texas want to give up money. How is that in their best interest. If the Big12 tried the TV network thing it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as the big 10 network. Not because they are worse at sports but because they have significantly less paying customers.

I predict the rumors of teams bolting are based on the fact that beebe sees the cold reality that a Texas TV network would be more successful for Texas than a Big 12 network. NE, MO see the writing on the wall and are hoping the big 10 rumors about inviting them are NOT false.

 

[Clones85']

Should have stopped right there.

Games on the field show that I am right. Would you like me to show you stats?

 

[TarHeelHawk]

Sure

BIG 10
20012-420025-220033-520043-320053-420062-520073-520081-620094-3Total26-37

ACC

20013-320024-320035-120043-320055-320064-420072-620084-620093-4Total33-33

BIG EAST

20012-020021-120030-220041-320051-320065-020073-220084-220094-2Total21-15

BIG 12

20013-520025-320032-620044-320055-320063-520075-320084-320094-4Total35-35

PAC 10

20012-320022-520034-220043-220053-220063-320074-220085-020092-5Total28-24

SEC

20015-320023-420035-220043-320053-320066-320077-220086-220096-4Total44-26

Maybe you could post those records in a format that is legible?

 

[tazclone]

I know this. But my question is why doesn't the Big 12 or another conference do the same thing? Revenue sharing. I don't think that it would be hard to get a Big 12 network at all. Why not mirror what works for the Big 10 financially?

Population base. That is the key. There are just flat out more people that reside in those areas. Large metro areas. Large small markets. That means more college sports fans. Very large universities as well. Looking at football alone,

More population equals more tv sets. More tv sets equals more $$$$. Unless states like Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Colorado explode in population nothing will change. Even then a state like Colorado doesn't support their college athletics.

Just look at Iowa vs ISU and the fans in the stands.

 

[Clones85']

Maybe you could post those records in a format that is legible?

I'm trying

 

[Farnsworth]

am i looking at serial numbers?

 

[Cydkar]

I know this. But my question is why doesn't the Big 12 or another conference do the same thing? Revenue sharing. I don't think that it would be hard to get a Big 12 network at all. Why not mirror what works for the Big 10 financially?

Market size of universities. Texas wants their own network.

 

[Clark]

Maybe you could post those records in a format that is legible?

I'm trying

yeah I don't mean to nitpick here but...:wink:

 

[flipper]

Local television ads.

Revenue sharing.

Committee on Institutional Cooperation.




Who cares about football wins and losses? Not Nebbie, Mizzou, etc.

 

[TarHeelHawk]

Games on the field show that I am right. Would you like me to show you stats?

The only stats I need to know are that the Big 10 went 4-3 in bowl games last year, and beat down two conference champs in the BCS.

After the 2008 bowls, it was loudly proclaimed on this message board that the only true measure of a conferences strength was/is their record in bowl games. Did the rules change after last seasons bowl games?

Besides, what do the actual games have to do with money?

 

[Clones85']

Population base. That is the key. There are just flat out more people that reside in those areas. Large metro areas. Large small markets. That means more college sports fans. Very large universities as well. Looking at football alone,

More population equals more tv sets. More tv sets equals more $$$$. Unless states like Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Colorado explode in population nothing will change. Even then a state like Colorado doesn't support their college athletics.

Just look at Iowa vs ISU and the fans in the stands.

I realize this. I realize we will never have the same #'s population wise. But we can still mirror what they do. Sure we may not make AS much money as them but it will be a better setup than what we currently have and teams like Missouri wouldn't leave. I don't see how the Big 12 president doesn't make changes or try and get the Big 12 on TV more.