How does a conference like the Big 10

[tazclone]

I realize this. Here is my question. Why won't the president of the Big 12 make the change when he sees the potential for his conference to be pulled apart? Does Texas pretty much have him in his pocket? It is successful for the Big 10, why not do it for the Big 12? Who cares if Texas has to share a little, they will still have more money than anyone.

Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska are the schools that do not want revenue sharing. And why would they? They get to keep all the money right now and keep their opponents at a disadvantage. Until the big 11 cherry picks schools there is no issue.'
Not sure why people think revenue sharing will chaneg things either. It won't. It might make teams more competetive but that won't equal more tv sets. Take the big 10. If you gave me three games to choose from SEC, Big 12 or big ten, I would choose big 10 last. Boring football.

They get more money because they are larger schools in more populated states.. That is it. I personally don't see why the big 10 would expand to 16 teams. I just don't see their revenue increasing enough to add 5 teams. Unless of course they got ND. They have most the markets and the TV execs understand that the NE is pro sports territory. Same with the Pac 10 wanting Colorado. Denver and the Front Range are pro sports areas.

 

[Clones85']

The only stats I need to know are that the Big 10 went 4-3 in bowl games last year, and beat down two conference champs in the BCS.

After the 2008 bowls, it was loudly proclaimed on this message board that the only true measure of a conferences strength was/is their record in bowl games. Did the rules change after last seasons bowl games?

Besides, what do the actual games have to do with money?

So you are taking 1 season out of 10 and hanging onto that? Go for it I guess. I will take the majority and look at the big picture. In the big picture the Big 10 ranks around 4th in the BCS conferences. This can't be logically argued

 

[Clones85']

Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska are the schools that do not want revenue sharing. And why would they? They get to keep all the money right now and keep their opponents at a disadvantage. Until the big 11 cherry picks schools there is no issue.

Why wouldn't Nebraska want revenue sharing? Isn't revenue sharing only from bowl games, tv, etc? You don't share donations correct? And isn't that were Nebraska gets most of their money? From donors?

 

[TarHeelHawk]

So you are taking 1 season out of 10 and hanging onto that? Go for it I guess. I will take the majority and look at the big picture. In the big picture the Big 10 ranks around 4th in the BCS conferences. This can't be logically argued

No, I'm using the argument that was used here last year when proclaiming the might of the Big 12. Does it not make sense to use the latest data? You're going back 10 years to skew the statistics in favor of the point you're trying to make, and I'm doing the same thing in going back to just last year.

 

[BryceC]

Here s the cold reality

There are more human beings on this planet that are classified as Big 10 fans than Big 12 fans.

Based on the size of the universities and the populations of the states involved I would guess that the size difference is very significant. If you pooled all of the big 12 TV sets into one room a very sizeable chunk would be from Texas.

Bingo.

 

[tazclone]

So you are taking 1 season out of 10 and hanging onto that? Go for it I guess. I will take the majority and look at the big picture. In the big picture the Big 10 ranks around 4th in the BCS conferences. This can't be logically argued

That should show you that the $$$$ isn't about being competetive. It is about population base and tv sets.

 

[TarHeelHawk]

That should show you that the $$$$ isn't about being competetive. It is about population base and tv sets.

That's what it's been about from the very beginning. It's about the Big 10 expanding it's footprint both nationally and in the media. If the Big 10 takes Mizzou and and Nebraska, they'll lock up the St. Louis media market and give themselves a nationally recongnized name in Nebraska.

 

[Clark]

Sure

BIG 10
26-37

ACC

33-33

BIG EAST

21-15

BIG 12

35-35

PAC 10

28-24

SEC

44-26

hmmm maybe we weren't talking about the same thing. I was talking about BCS football games in the last 10 years (which is what I thought you were talking about.)

So what do these numbers represent?

 

[jbhtexas]

The short answer on why the Big XII hasn't done anything to improve it's financial picture overall is the moron we have in charge. The guy should be fired immediately.

I realize this. Here is my question. Why won't the president of the Big 12 make the change when he sees the potential for his conference to be pulled apart? Does Texas pretty much have him in his pocket? It is successful for the Big 10, why not do it for the Big 12? Who cares if Texas has to share a little, they will still have more money than anyone.

The Big 12 doesn't have a "president". The Big 12 is run by the Directors, who are the university presidents/chancellors. All decisions regarding conference realignment and revenue sharing are made by the Directors, not the Big 12 Commissioner.

All this information can be found in the Big 12 handbook.

2009-10 Big 12 Conference Handbook - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site

According to the last revenue figures made public (which was a couple of years ago), as been posted in several past threads, somewhere around 82% of the Big 12 conference revenue is equally shared. The Conference handbook also describes how all revenue is split.

I would encourage all CF posters who participate in discussion regarding the Big 12 to browse through the conference handbook. It's sad how much bogus information about the Big 12 is repeatedly posted on this site.

 

[Clones85']

I don't think people are understanding my question. I know the Big 10 has more $$, I know the Big 10 has more television sets. Those will never change. But other conferences can get closer to the Big 10 financially if they followed their plan? Why don't they? Why does what works for the Big 10, not work for others?

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

This question is a little like asking why the Dallas Cowboys are allowed to have the most expensive stadium in world history, even though they haven't won a Super Bowl since the 1990s.

 

[Clones85']

hmmm maybe we weren't talking about the same thing. I was talking about BCS football games in the last 10 years (which is what I thought you were talking about.)

So what do these numbers represent?

Overall bowl records. I will look into BCS records. Give me a minute

 

[TarHeelHawk]

This question is a little like asking why the Dallas Cowboys are allowed to have the most expensive stadium in world history, even though they haven't won a Super Bowl since the 1990s.

Because their owner is a billionaire?

 

[Clark]

6th out of 6 BCS schools in bowl record the last 10 years. Only one national title in 10 years. Worst BCS bowl record as well in that time

Basketball they have had Michigan State and that is it. Haven't had much success in bball the last 10 years

Sure

BIG 10
26-37

ACC

33-33

BIG EAST

21-15

BIG 12

35-35

PAC 10

28-24

SEC

44-26

Nevermind on my last post. Overall bowl records are a sham. At least BCS bowls make the competition a little more even. the ACC and Big East play a joke of a bowl schedule (and their bowl revenues reflect that)

 

[TarHeelHawk]

I don't think people are understanding my question. I know the Big 10 has more $$, I know the Big 10 has more television sets. Those will never change. But other conferences can get closer to the Big 10 financially if they followed their plan? Why don't they? Why does what works for the Big 10, not work for others?

If the plan you're referring to is revenue sharing, then I would suppose that's possible. But the other two big conferences (SEC and Big 12) are largely regional, and aside from Texas, maybe Texas A&M, and Alabama, I doubt that there are many schools in either conference that have an alumni base anywhere near that of Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State.

The SEC and Big 12 don't have very big media markets, so they aren't that attractive to networks looking to sign long term television deals.

 

[dfwcy]

Overall bowl records. I will look into BCS records. Give me a minute

Can you show Iowa St and Iowas overall bowl and BCS bowl records as well?

 

[Clark]

I don't think people are understanding my question. I know the Big 10 has more $$, I know the Big 10 has more television sets. Those will never change. But other conferences can get closer to the Big 10 financially if they followed their plan? Why don't they? Why does what works for the Big 10, not work for others?

It might not be feasible. I think the Big 12 could do it, but would Texas agree to share the revenue equally even though a large portion of it is coming from their state?

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Because their owner is a billionaire?

Ding - ding -ding! You win the prize.

Same thing with Big 10 vs. the other leagues. Who "owns" the Big 10? Who "owns" the Big 12?

Answer that question, and the original question, and its follow-ups, are answered very simply

 

[Clones85']

The Big 12 doesn't have a "president". The Big 12 is run by the Directors, who are the university presidents/chancellors. All decisions regarding conference realignment and revenue sharing are made by the Directors, not the Big 12 Commissioner.

All this information can be found in the Big 12 handbook.

2009-10 Big 12 Conference Handbook - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site

According to the last revenue figures made public (which was a couple of years ago), as been posted in several past threads, somewhere around 82% of the Big 12 conference revenue is equally shared. The Conference handbook also describes how all revenue is split.

I would encourage all CF posters who participate in discussion regarding the Big 12 to browse through the conference handbook. It's sad how much bogus information about the Big 12 is repeatedly posted on this site.

Thanks for the link. Like I said in my OP I haven't paid attention to it at all so I was new to the discussion. Just looking for new information besides population and Big 10 network as those 2 are obvious differences in favor of the big 10.

 

[jdoggivjc]

If the plan you're referring to is revenue sharing, then I would suppose that's possible. But the other two big conferences (SEC and Big 12) are largely regional, and aside from Texas, maybe Texas A&M, and Alabama, I doubt that there are many schools in either conference that have an alumni base anywhere near that of Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State.

The SEC and Big 12 don't have very big media markets, so they aren't that attractive to networks looking to sign long term television deals.

1. The SEC's media market is a lot bigger than you give it credit for - and it's the fastest growing collection of media markets in the nation.

2. That being said, who cares about the size of your media market when ESPN and CBS are fighting amongst themselves for the rights to broadcast SEC games? Why worry about creating an SEC Network when ESPN wants to be the SEC Network, and are willing to pay lucrative sums of money to do so?

3. Also, who cares about media markets when you've got all of the prospective talent? Media market is most important in getting potential recruits to see you on TV. The SEC doesn't have to worry about that because all of their talent is already in their back yard.