Is our spread offense a problem against Iowa

The_Architect

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This is a good topic that's left me perplexed after yesterday. What does Northwestern and Indiana do that is so different than us. I wouldnt say that either of those teams have more talent than ISU but they are able to give the Iowa defense fits with their spread attack.

One thing is for sure, our receivers drop way too many balls. AA is responsible for a lot of them (how many times did he throw bullets to guys 5 yards in front of him) but there were still some bad drops. Do we just need to ride it out a couple more years so we have everyone in the offensive system? Is that how Northwestern is able to do it with less talent?
 

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offense seems to be very conservative. we make no attempts of plays down the field. how will it open anything up if everything is 4-8 yard passes.
 

clonedude

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This...and the spread offense is predicated on having a QB that makes good decisions, gets the ball out quick, and it deadly accurate to give the WR's a chance to make a play after the catch. We don't have that.

This.

I didn't really see much of the ISU "spread offense" yesterday. It sure wasn't the same offense we saw in game one, that's for sure. No WR screens. No quick slants hardly. And in the option game, AA almost always handed it off instead of taking it himself to keep Iowa's D-ends honest.

Our passing game consisted of AA standing in the pocket for what seemed like several minutes trying to find an open receiver somewhere? That is not what I saw last week. Last week, the ball was out of AA's hands quickly and into the hands of our playmakers in space. I also saw AA getting good yardage last week by faking the handoff up the gut and taking it himself. Until the D-ends play you honest, don't hand it off. That's the whole point of this offense.
 

tm3308

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This is a good topic that's left me perplexed after yesterday. What does Northwestern and Indiana do that is so different than us. I wouldnt say that either of those teams have more talent than ISU but they are able to give the Iowa defense fits with their spread attack.

One thing is for sure, our receivers drop way too many balls. AA is responsible for a lot of them (how many times did he throw bullets to guys 5 yards in front of him) but there were still some bad drops. Do we just need to ride it out a couple more years so we have everyone in the offensive system? Is that how Northwestern is able to do it with less talent?

While across the board Northwestern or Indiana may not be more talented than ISU, they do have more talented QB's (and I hate to say that because I think the world of Arnaud, he's a great kid). Guys like Kafka, Basanez, Kustok for Northwestern and Chappel for Indiana are/were all VERY accurate passers. They don't miss open receivers on those short routes. Chappel isn't particularly mobile, but Indiana does have a good running back in Willis (But Kellen Lewis was a VERY mobile QB when they beat us in 2006 and 2007). But for Northwestern, their QB's are also typically pretty quick. Arnaud can make plays with his feet, but he is more of a Tebow-style runner. Northwestern's guys are just really quick, slippery, which is what makes them hard for Iowa to defend.

You guys may have the right offensive system to beat Iowa, but unfortunately Arnaud doesn't seem like the right kind of QB to run it.
 

The_Architect

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While across the board Northwestern or Indiana may not be more talented than ISU, they do have more talented QB's (and I hate to say that because I think the world of Arnaud, he's a great kid). Guys like Kafka, Basanez, Kustok for Northwestern and Chappel for Indiana are/were all VERY accurate passers. They don't miss open receivers on those short routes. Chappel isn't particularly mobile, but Indiana does have a good running back in Willis (But Kellen Lewis was a VERY mobile QB when they beat us in 2006 and 2007). But for Northwestern, their QB's are also typically pretty quick. Arnaud can make plays with his feet, but he is more of a Tebow-style runner. Northwestern's guys are just really quick, slippery, which is what makes them hard for Iowa to defend.

You guys may have the right offensive system to beat Iowa, but unfortunately Arnaud doesn't seem like the right kind of QB to run it.

Good post.
 

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I don't like us running the spread/spread option really at all. I'm not a coach but it seems like to have real consistent success with it you need very consistent talent at the skilled positions to make it work. Nothing against us, but it seems like we're not as likely to always have the right guys for it.

I wish we ran a pro style like Iowa. I think it's "easier" to groom lineman for a more smash mouth than it is to groom the talent it takes to execute the timing needed for a spread type. And I think Iowa State is more likely to bring in the linemen type guys who we could coach to be great at that style. Then we could throw almost any RB or QB back there and things wouldn't miss too much of a beat.

It just seems like everything has to go just right for the passing, and especially running, to work well consistently.

I completely agree or something other than this garbage offense that never can seem to get the f&*_*ing football vertically down the field in a consistent manner, the spread in whatever form has done little for ISU over the last 7 or so season since Barney arrived in 04'.

Tom Herman has not earned his paycheck.
 

edr247

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This is a good topic that's left me perplexed after yesterday. What does Northwestern and Indiana do that is so different than us. I wouldnt say that either of those teams have more talent than ISU but they are able to give the Iowa defense fits with their spread attack.

One thing is for sure, our receivers drop way too many balls. AA is responsible for a lot of them (how many times did he throw bullets to guys 5 yards in front of him) but there were still some bad drops. Do we just need to ride it out a couple more years so we have everyone in the offensive system? Is that how Northwestern is able to do it with less talent?

Well...Northwestern also took out Shonn Greene and Ricky Stanzi out of the equation. :sad:

How they beat us (often by a close margin), is that they take what we give them. They usually take advantage of turnovers and a short field, along with surprisingly good dual-threat (white?) QBs, to eke out wins. They're tenacious, and aren't named the 'Cardiac Cats' for nothing.

They also have a coaching staff that has been with the system for some time now, who believe beating Iowa is important to Northwestern, as they have always felt that doing so was the first step in getting to the 'upper tier'.

2005: (28-27)
Iowa was ahead 27-14 with ~11 minutes to go. Northwestern scores two touchdowns in the final 2 minutes, by recovering an onside kick between the two. The run game for Northwestern was no real concern, but Brett Basanez was a passing machine (had like 300+ yards in the air)

2006: (21-7)
Northwestern's best game in the series, perhaps, as they had their most complete game. They dominated the Hawks in passing, rushing and on defense. Turnovers by both teams (often in the redzone), probably kept the game as 'low scoring' as it was.

2008: (22-17)
Northwestern scores three unanswered TDs to go up 22-17 (they miss a PAT and a 2 point conversion). Shonn Greene gets knocked out the game, and Stanzi isn't able to get Iowa into the endzone from the 8 yard line.

2009: (17-10)
Northwestern wills themselves past Iowa, after Stanzi is knocked out of the game. The Stanzi fumble in the endzone gave Northwestern their first TD. A Vandenberg interception set up a short field for their second TD. Thanks to Vandenberg's inexperience, Iowa isn't able to get any offense going. Murray misses a field goal, and a Wegher TD gets called back on a holding call.

As for Indiana, they've generally had a high powered offense, and tend to have very good QBs and WRs. In 2006 they had a last second TD to sneak past Iowa. In 2007 both offenses put up tons of yards, but Iowa couldn't convert that to points, while Indiana could. That included a 70 yard pass from Kellen Lewis to Kellen Lewis for the TD (yeah, you read that right...his receiver fumbled the ball, Lewis scooped it up and took it to the endzone).

To sum it up...
They have good, often dual-threat QBs, can often force Iowa to make mistakes AND capitalize off of them, and have a fair bit of luck as well.
 
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We need to exicute. The spread works when its ran well. We didnt run it well at all. We ran it like **** hole.
 

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While across the board Northwestern or Indiana may not be more talented than ISU, they do have more talented QB's (and I hate to say that because I think the world of Arnaud, he's a great kid). Guys like Kafka, Basanez, Kustok for Northwestern and Chappel for Indiana are/were all VERY accurate passers.

I wouldn't compare NW and Indiana in too many areas. NW is much more physical in the trenches on both sides of the ball, able to battle Iowa to a standstill. They able to open holes for the RB, helping the QB out tremendously.
Their D is one of the top units in the Big Ten. They stop the run.
 

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We need to get more mileage out of the oline. I think other groups are doing as well as they are capable, but the oline can and must get better than it has shown for two games.
 

JonDMiller

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Iowa's zone system can be solid against the spread if the linebackers are doing what they should be doing. They have had really good LB play the last two years...this year, we will see.

BTW, it was 28-0 before turnovers yesterday..however, yesterday's game has been the anomaly in this series this decade...there has not been such a dominant performance like this since ISU rolled the Hawks in the late 1990's
 

clonedude

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Iowa's zone system can be solid against the spread if the linebackers are doing what they should be doing. They have had really good LB play the last two years...this year, we will see.

BTW, it was 28-0 before turnovers yesterday..however, yesterday's game has been the anomaly in this series this decade...there has not been such a dominant performance like this since ISU rolled the Hawks in the late 1990's

I guess you don't consider 23-3, in which the Hawks got across the 50 yd line like twice in the entire game a "rolling", huh? Short term memory Jon, or is your age showing!
 

tm3308

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I wouldn't compare NW and Indiana in too many areas. NW is much more physical in the trenches on both sides of the ball, able to battle Iowa to a standstill. They able to open holes for the RB, helping the QB out tremendously.
Their D is one of the top units in the Big Ten. They stop the run.

I was only looking at it from an offensive perspective. That's why Indiana has had success against us recently. Lewis and Hardy were just about enough to win by themselves. Northwestern is better than Indiana on a lot of levels, which is why they have had success for much longer. But offensively they're pretty similar.
 

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I was only looking at it from an offensive perspective. That's why Indiana has had success against us recently. Lewis and Hardy were just about enough to win by themselves. Northwestern is better than Indiana on a lot of levels, which is why they have had success for much longer. But offensively they're pretty similar.

I wonder if Adam Shada still has nightmares of James Hardy. That guy could put a whole highlight reel together of just his games against Iowa
 

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