Hawkins Fired

[ISUFan22]

I didnt read the entire thread so perhaps this has been mentioned, but the whole, "let's go win this one for coach" mentality scares me.
See: Coach McCarney's last game as a Cyclone.

Different situation as Hawkins isn't coaching them anymore as of yesterday.

At any rate...

I.
Could.
Not.
Care.
Less.

Losing this game for any excuse other than a natural disaster that takes out our team is inexcusable. We are more talented and will be better coached.

Motivation? We win this game and we are in a bowl game. CU has to win out to be eligible. If our program is going in the direction I think/expect it to be, we should be more motivated than CU.

Again, this is not only a must win - I expect it to be a win. I don't care about our history in Boulder. I don't care if they trot Nick Saban out there as head coach. To get to the places Rhoads wants this program to go - ISU wins Saturday and does so convincingly.

Period.

 

[weR138]

The reason that Cody might not want to quit is because D-Hawks might still want to coach. I am not sure how many friends D-hawk has in the coaching profession but you don't sabotage the program.
It's a catch-22 for Cody: if he plays well and the team wins, it shows that his dad was the problem. If he sucks, he'll give his critics tons of ammo

Blood is thicker than water in my family. If they canned my dad in the middle of the season I'd tell them to **** off.

 

[Cyclone3944]

I found this on CBS4 web site. Athletic director Mike Bohn promoted longtime assistant Brian Cabral to interim coach for the final three games of the season, beginning Saturday against Iowa State at Folsom Field.

 

[weR138]

I found this on CBS4 web site. Athletic director Mike Bohn promoted longtime assistant Brian Cabral to interim coach for the final three games of the season, beginning Saturday against Iowa State at Folsom Field.

I think this dude has been around a lot longer than Hawk and is very well liked. He's an LB coach or something. CU will play hard for this guy.

 

[Cyhart]

Different situation as Hawkins isn't coaching them anymore as of yesterday.

At any rate...

I.
Could.
Not.
Care.
Less.

Losing this game for any excuse other than a natural disaster that takes out our team is inexcusable. We are more talented and will be better coached.

Motivation? We win this game and we are in a bowl game. CU has to win out to be eligible. If our program is going in the direction I think/expect it to be, we should be more motivated than CU.

Again, this is not only a must win - I expect it to be a win. I don't care about our history in Boulder. I don't care if they trot Nick Saban out there as head coach. To get to the places Rhoads wants this program to go - ISU wins Saturday and does so convincingly.

Period.

True. Its a lot different circumstances. I expect us to win this game as well.
But, as a Cyclone fan, I am obviously gun-shy.
Rhoads has not, thus far, shown that he will lose these kind of games though, so I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[ISUFan22]

How many programs have willingly kicked us when we are down? Pummeled us during winless or near winless seasons? Countless. Even teams like UConn and Boise State have feasted on our carcasses to name a couple in recent years.

Should this be a revenge game for all that bad history? No.

But I see no reason why we should not take full advantage of the CU situation and just run them off their own field. They don't belong there. Hell, I bet there are a number of their players that don't even want to be there.

If we get up on 'em early, it will remind them of that fact and they'll just roll over like a dead buffalo.

We should run thru this one like a searing hot knife thru butter and come into a senior day battle with Mizzu having confidence and momentum.

 

[Judoka]

I really don't see Cody quitting or their coaching being worse. Cody has been on the team for 5 years. He'll finish out the next 3 weeks. Similarly, their gameday coaching was downright, absolutely horrible. There is literally no way it could get worse. The only thing it can do is stay the same or get better without Hawkins at the reins. And the assistant coaches do a whole lot of the gameplanning anyways so if anything they'll have more lee-way to not do whatever Hawkins was making them (that was losing them games).

I think the only question is how the team responds in terms of giving up on the season or finding new life with a hated coach no longer around. To be honest I would have greatly prefered if they'd held off firing him for another week.

 

[cyclone13]

How many programs have willingly kicked us when we are down? Pummeled us during winless or near winless seasons? Countless. Even teams like UConn and Boise State have feasted on our carcasses to name a couple in recent years.

Should this be a revenge game for all that bad history? No.

But I see no reason why we should not take full advantage of the CU situation and just run them off their own field. They don't belong there. Hell, I bet there are a number of their players that don't even want to be there.

If we get up on 'em early, it will remind them of that fact and they'll just roll over like a dead buffalo.

We should run thru this one like a searing hot knife thru butter and come into a senior day battle with Mizzu having confidence and momentum.

THIS !
D-Hawks ran up the score in Humanitarian Bowl 2002. I don't give a cr.p whether they did it because they wanted to be respected, coming from a non BCS conference or else, but they did it.

Now it's our time: our time to show that we can be winners, be can handily beat the team we are supposed to beat: show us as a dominant team.

One Fanatic posted the psychology of the Hawks beating up the Cyclones back in the 80s - Hayden Fry knew that it was not just a beating but psychologically for the fans and for prospective fans, it shows that the Hawkeyes were the premier program in the State.

If we want to be the premier program in the future (at least against KSU, KU and other similar schools) we need to beat them out. We compete in recruiting against teams like CU, KU, KSU size-wise - so the best way to sway the recruits is showing that we're WAY better than our competitors.

 

[CarolinaCy]

But I see no reason why we should not take full advantage of the CU situation and just run them off their own field. They don't belong there. Hell, I bet there are a number of their players that don't even want to be there.

If we get up on 'em early, it will remind them of that fact and they'll just roll over like a dead buffalo.

I agree that their players have felt this way for a long time, until this announcement. I think they've been going through the motion for Hawkins, because it's pretty obvious from that Facebook screenshot what they think of him.

What I see now is a team that feels like a giant weight has been lifted off their shoulders. Guys might have a spring in their step, and a chip on their shoulder. I think they'll want to come out and show that they aren't such a crappy team, just that they had a crappy coach.

If they like this interim coach, they might want this to be a permanent coaching change, which means they need to win games for him. That might be enough of a rallying cry to bring them together.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Different situation as Hawkins isn't coaching them anymore as of yesterday.

At any rate...

I.
Could.
Not.
Care.
Less.

Losing this game for any excuse other than a natural disaster that takes out our team is inexcusable. We are more talented and will be better coached.

Motivation? We win this game and we are in a bowl game. CU has to win out to be eligible. If our program is going in the direction I think/expect it to be, we should be more motivated than CU.

Again, this is not only a must win - I expect it to be a win. I don't care about our history in Boulder. I don't care if they trot Nick Saban out there as head coach. To get to the places Rhoads wants this program to go - ISU wins Saturday and does so convincingly.

Period.

This post sums it all up nicely. No excuses, just get the job done.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

This will be a great senior day for Cody Hawkins :biglaugh:

CU's Senior Day is against KSU. I believe in karma and wish no ill will on anyone, i just want a Cyclone victory.

 

[jbhtexas]

We are more talented and will be better coached.

I'm not sure what you are basing the talent portion of your comment on. Every one of Hawkins' recruiting classes has been rated higher than ISU's, a couple of them by 20-30 spots (I was using collegefootballnews.com for that stat). CU's problem has been coaching. That problem is now removed.

ISU can certainly go up there and blow out CU, but it won't be because CU lacks talent on their team.

 

[CYVADER]

I'm not sure what you are basing the talent portion of your comment on. Every one of Hawkins' recruiting classes has been rated higher than ISU's, a couple of them by 20-30 spots (I was using collegefootballnews.com for that stat). CU's problem has been coaching. That problem is now removed.

ISU can certainly go up there and blow out CU, but it won't be because CU lacks talent on their team.

i'd say he's basing it off of players results rather than their ranking out of high school. you see, just because rivals ranks him a star doesn't mean he's plateaued-he can actually be coached to be better-which is exactly what our staff seems to have done with a lot of our players. colorados staff, on the otherhand, hasn't seemed to groom their players as well.

 

[gocubs2118]

i'd say he's basing it off of players results rather than their ranking out of high school. you see, just because rivals ranks him a star doesn't mean he's plateaued-he can actually be coached to be better-which is exactly what our staff seems to have done with a lot of our players. colorados staff, on the otherhand, hasn't seemed to groom their players as well.

This. It's rather silly to say one team is more talented than another because of rankings out of high school.

 

[Clone96]

so are all of CU's other quarterbacks injured?

Tyler Hansen who started most of the year has a shoulder injury so he's out and their other QB is a true freshman they are trying to redshirt....


I heard CPR on 1700 this afternoon. When he was asked if the coaching change would make things more difficult this weekend. He didn't think so, saying that they still have still have the same coordinators, so he didn't expect much of change to what they have been running all year.

 

[jbhtexas]

i'd say he's basing it off of players results rather than their ranking out of high school. you see, just because rivals ranks him a star doesn't mean he's plateaued-he can actually be coached to be better-which is exactly what our staff seems to have done with a lot of our players. colorados staff, on the otherhand, hasn't seemed to groom their players as well.

I don't disagree with that. But those Rivals rankings probably also somehow encapsulate athletic ability, and it's not just one or two kids, it's 5 classes of kids. I wouldn't suspect the interim coach could turn things around in 5 days, but CU should have some decent athletic talent, and with a little proper motivation and direction, they probably should be able to play better than they have been.

Class rankings just for reference...
Year,CU,ISU
2006,50,59
2007,35,69
2008,27,57
2009,57,79
2010,70,73

CU ave: 47.8
ISU ave 67.4

 

[ISUFan22]

I'm not sure what you are basing the talent portion of your comment on. Every one of Hawkins' recruiting classes has been rated higher than ISU's, a couple of them by 20-30 spots (I was using collegefootballnews.com for that stat). CU's problem has been coaching. That problem is now removed.

ISU can certainly go up there and blow out CU, but it won't be because CU lacks talent on their team.

I'm basing it on using my eyes. We are simply better than they are - period. Certainly can be because our staff has developed our talent better than theirs. But if we're better developed, then that equates to better talent too.

The "Hawkins problem" may be removed but the assistants are still there. CU will not change its stripes in just a few days.

 

[jbhtexas]

This. It's rather silly to say one team is more talented than another because of rankings out of high school.

So what would you rather have: A five year average recruiting rank of 48, or a five year average recruiting rank of 67?

 

[ISUFan22]

So what would you rather have: A five year average recruiting rank of 48, or a five year average recruiting rank of 67?

The fact is recruiting is just one part of the game. Talent is recruiting, but it is also development. Their ranking is 19 spots higher than ours. Not a gigantic margin.

And clearly it has not been paying off for them while since our latest coaching change, it's been working ok for us.

And if it were not for a horrid option call at the goal line in '08 - we would have 4 straight wins over the "more talented" CU program.

 

[Judoka]

Watching the press conference with the interim head coach, I think he's gonna do a perfectly fine job of getting the Buffs up to play on Saturday. Plus he's been with the program for something like 22 years and the impression I get is there is a whole lot more respect for him among the players and fans than there was for Hawkins.I wouldn't write off this team.

I'm hoping for a blowout, but this isn't going to be a walk in the park. We're gonna have to come ready to play.