Easy to blame Oline

[Clones85']

You can't go deep if you don't have time to get deep.

Wrong. How long does it take to throw a fade pass? .5 seconds? A quick seam pass to Franklin? Not very long.

 

[cycloneG]

Wrong. How long does it take to throw a fade pass? .5 seconds? A quick seam pass to Franklin? Not very long.

It takes much longer than that especially when everyone is getting jammed.

 

[IcSyU]

Wrong. How long does it take to throw a fade pass? .5 seconds? A quick seam pass to Franklin? Not very long.

You can't throw a fade with a ton of field and a safety on each side back there. It ends up picked. What ISU receiver do you trust to win a jump ball with Colorado's 6'0" and 6'1" receivers?

Can't throw the quick seam when you have to move immediately after your three step drop.

 

[Clones85']

It takes much longer than that especially when everyone is getting jammed.

We run out of a shotgun so this is moot but usually a QB does a 2 step drop and throws that pass.

 

[Clones85']

You can't throw a fade with a ton of field and a safety on each side back there. It ends up picked. What ISU receiver do you trust to win a jump ball with Colorado's 6'0" and 6'1" receivers?

Can't throw the quick seam when you have to move immediately after your three step drop.

Sorry that just isn't true. You can throw it down the field. If the safeties start cheating toward the sideline than that opens up the middle of the field!

And who do I trust to win a jump ball for ISU? I don't know maybe Jake Williams! Nebraska has the top DB's in college football and we threw that back shoulder fade to him to perfection. Why not do that against Colorado's weak secondary?

To say that we can't run the fade is so comical when we just did it the weak before for 2 TD's

 

[cycloneG]

We run out of a shotgun so this is moot but usually a QB does a 2 step drop and throws that pass.

Our QBs were running for their lives as soon as the ball was snapped yesterday. About the only thing they were able to get off quickly were slants and bubble screens.

 

[IcSyU]

Sorry that just isn't true. You can throw it down the field. If the safeties start cheating toward the sideline than that opens up the middle of the field!

And who do I trust to win a jump ball for ISU? I don't know maybe Jake Williams! Nebraska has the top DB's in college football and we threw that back shoulder fade to him to perfection. Why not do that against Colorado's weak secondary?

To say that we can't run the fade is so comical when we just did it the weak before for 2 TD's

There is a HUGE difference between a back shoulder fade in the end zone and a fade from the ISU 30 yard line. The back shoulder fade puts the corner on an island with no help. A fade from the 30 yard line puts a pair of safeties at the 50 yard line. Let's also throw in the fact that CU's 2 corners played bump coverage the entire game, something we don't have receivers willing to fight through. Let's also throw out there that Colorado's corners were 6'0" and 6'1". Yes, a fade sounds like a brilliant plan. If we had anyone that could fight off press coverage, we couldn't carved them on slants, but we don't.

 

[Clones85']

Our QBs were running for their lives as soon as the ball was snapped yesterday. About the only thing they were able to get off quickly were slants and bubble screens.

That's just not true. There were a couple times where they were but they also had some plays where we had time and threw short passes.

Listen the O line played horrible. But the coaches have to help them out as well and adjust to what Colorado was doing. No adjustments made on offense at all

 

[Clones85']

There is a HUGE difference between a back shoulder fade in the end zone and a fade from the ISU 30 yard line. The back shoulder fade puts the corner on an island with no help. A fade from the 30 yard line puts a pair of safeties at the 50 yard line. Let's also throw in the fact that CU's 2 corners played bump coverage the entire game, something we don't have receivers willing to fight through. Let's also throw out there that Colorado's corners were 6'0" and 6'1". Yes, a fade sounds like a brilliant plan. If we had anyone that could fight off press coverage, we couldn't carved them on slants, but we don't.

Huh? A back shoulder fade is the same no matter where on the field it is. Look at the Packers. Rodgers throws it everywhere on the field. You don't need time to throw it and you can throw it even when you are covered. Doesn't that sound perfect for us? Our WR's can't get a lot of space so that is the play we need to run. And Arnaud threw it pretty damn good

 

[cycloneG]

That's just not true. There were a couple times where they were but they also had some plays where we had time and threw short passes.

Listen the O line played horrible. But the coaches have to help them out as well and adjust to what Colorado was doing. No adjustments made on offense at all

The only time our quarterbacks had time to throw was when they were rolling them out.

I'm not blaming the lose on the oline. Every aspect of the team was horrible yesterday. No one goes without blame.

 

[Clones85']

I'm not blaming the lose on the oline. Every aspect of the team was horrible yesterday. No one goes without blame.

I agree with this. I was just surprised to get on the site and see all the blame back on the OLINE

 

[CycloneErik]

It is easy to blame the O-Line, and they earned it. They made it easy.

We can rightly criticize the playcalling, but nothing excuses the lack of fire by the offensive line, or really by anyone not named Jake Knott.

It's just one of those weeks where we can go man-by-man in critical threads. Nobody showed up, and we got stomped by a team we should have handled.

 

[cy8]

It is very easy to blame the line, but the coaches need to realize that the line wasn't giving AA much time and they needed to start calling quick passes instead of long passes. So AA wasn't holing onto the ball as long, and getting into trouble withe the Dline.

 

[CycloneErik]

Our receivers pretty much lack the speed to be deep threats when we do have good protection. With the OL performance yesterday, no way could we go deep. Not a chance at all.

 

[SpokaneCY]

They didn't play well at all. BUT Tom Herman didn't help them out either. Colorado was stacking the box and bringing pressure. We never threw a screen pass (minus the obvious one on 3rd and 20) and we never threw the ball down field. Despite what people think, you can throw the ball down field on a quick three step drop. A fade pass or a seam route to Franklin. Neither need very much time to have happen

When a defense is coming at you as much as Colorados was coming at us yesterday, you have to call plays that soften up the defense a bit. Even if it is an incomplete pass, the threat that you will actually throw down field can be enough to open up some runs and give Arnaud some more time.

Hell, even a swing pass to Arob would make the linebacker have to stay at home. Just a horrible offensive gameplan by Herman and even worse that he didn't make any adjustments to what the Colorado defense was doing

I can't second guess Herman. I have no idea what coverages he saw from the booth or what coverages he saw as he watched and broke down more gamefilm in a week then this entire board has done in our collective lifetimes. Nothing would have worked yesterday. AA was inaccurate, the OL couldn't stop all the stunting blitzes as they were coming from everywhere, the couldn't get any pressure and our blitzes were predictable and were picked up easily...

It was just one of those games that really borderline average teams like ISU have on the road.

 

[CyBobby]

You can bi-sect...di-sect the colorado game all you want but when coach rhoads or any coach for that matter sez....We had NO RUNNING GAME....You're in a heap of trouble!!


The OLine just has to provide running lanes for the backs for us to have any chance against Mizzou come saturday night.


Go Cyclones Schock The Tigers!!!

 

[Cyrock]

You can bi-sect...di-sect the colorado game all you want but when coach rhoads or any coach for that matter sez....We had NO RUNNING GAME....You're in a heap of trouble!!


The OLine just has to provide running lanes for the backs for us to have any chance against Mizzou come saturday night.


Go Cyclones Schock The Tigers!!!

Please remember, the line has to execute the play called by the coaching staff. They will only execute the assignments and line calls set-up by the coaching staff, mainly Coach Bliel.


Was the pressure from blitz packages or were the sacks from great DL play?

 

[tazclone]

I can't second guess Herman. I have no idea what coverages he saw from the booth or what coverages he saw as he watched and broke down more gamefilm in a week then this entire board has done in our collective lifetimes. Nothing would have worked yesterday. AA was inaccurate, the OL couldn't stop all the stunting blitzes as they were coming from everywhere, the couldn't get any pressure and our blitzes were predictable and were picked up easily...

It was just one of those games that really borderline average teams like ISU have on the road.

We have been poor stopping stunts and blitzes all year. It is nothing new. Her eis how you defend ISU...Bring your safeties up, stunt, blitz and play press coverage. Utah, OU, and CU figured that out.

 

[Cycsk]

Our receivers pretty much lack the speed to be deep threats when we do have good protection. With the OL performance yesterday, no way could we go deep. Not a chance at all.

On the radio, Ben Bruns made it clear that we were getting beaten badly on both sides of the line. He mentions the O-line in his CF column.

 

[c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s]

You can't throw a fade with a ton of field and a safety on each side back there. It ends up picked. What ISU receiver do you trust to win a jump ball with Colorado's 6'0" and 6'1" receivers?

Can't throw the quick seam when you have to move immediately after your three step drop.

It is impossible to stack the box with eight men and have two safeties deep against the spread.

Either our receivers were not able to get open against man coverage or Arnaud didn't find them quick enough to get them the ball (or both).