Is the Big 12 Conference in Football with A&M better then the SEC without A&M? Top to Bottom?
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Is the Big 12 Conference in Football with A&M better then the SEC without A&M? Top to Bottom?
They lost to 2 of those teams last year, likely would have lost to Bama and Auburn as well, Miss State would be a toss-up, and Ole Miss a win until Houston Nutt is fired.
No...and it isn't real close. That is a completely different brand of football.
Short term that is true. When your weakest teams are Ole Miss and Miss State, you're in for a long season.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that pecking order will stay the same forever. A&M is still a pretty big school in a very large state. They have a lot of financial resources and some very good athletes in state. Playing in the SEC might become very attractive to Texas HS athletes if the B12 implodes, and if A&M were to get a better coach in the future, they could easily move into the mix in that conference.
Well, if we are destined to have 4 "conferences of relevance" of ACC, SEC, PAC, B1G flavors then I don't like our chances. Miracle please?
How has a$m been top tier in the XII? Of the last ten years, they have an average finish of 7-8th (7.7) in the conference. During that time they have never even been in the conference title game. I'm sorry, but a$m is not top tier Big XII. Add in the fact that the SEC conference they would join is more difficult than the Big XII South and it is easy to see why this could turn into a very big mistake for the Aggies.
I'd laugh if North Texas gets an invite. Can you picture Dan coming back here to coach against us?
Remember that last year, aTm did, in fact, play 2 SEC West teams. How did they fare?
Lost to Arkansas 24-17
Lost to LSU 41-24
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It's not rocket science.
Sure, they could turn into something, but their performance history suggests that they will not.
The top Texas talent will still go to Texas. And A&M hasn't done jack in a conference that is nowhere near as tough as the SEC, top to bottom. A&M should have had no problem reaching at least 8 wins a season in the Big 12 (With losses to OU and Texas pretty much every year, plus an upset or two), and they've done it just twice in the past 9 years. That's not going to improve with stiffer competition.
aTm was in the Big 12 championship game in 1997 and 1998, losing to kNU 54-15 in 97 and beating KSU 36-33.
Every other championship game, it's been Texas and Oklahoma representing the South.
That is the problem. If this goes to 4 super-16 conferences, we are 90% out in the cold. Our biggest issues are geography and population base.
Geography isn't on our side because we're naturally more of fit for the Big 10 (out of the 4 super conferences), but the Big 10 is in such a power position, they won't want us. They already have Iowa locked up and they'll want to expand into other markets. Mizzou would make way more sense than us. So would most of the Northeast teams in the Big East or ACC.
Of course we are also the 2nd tier school (particularly football) in a small state, with little positive football history.
Certainly the Pac 10, SEC and ACC are not possibilities, so in the 4 super team scenario, we are destined for the MWC, C-USA or MAC.
Dan Beebe better expand the conference right freaking now or ISU may be in deep ****!!! I have faith in Pollard if going to the big east is the best option take it and kiss this conference good bye!!! We are not interested in non AQ status conference. Add Louisville, ND, or Byu Louisville.
I don't think A&M really cares if they are moving to a slightly more difficult conference. They've been shat on for the past 10 years by the bright orange cows in Austin and they've had enough. This isn't about who they are going to play, this is simply a big "**** you" to Texas.
I think if that's the case and teams are going to be left out and some bowl games done with to make room for the 8 team playoff system you would see massive lawsuits out of this.
Schools like ISU (scoreboard) and KSU (Press Box) have secured loans based on teams signing on to stay together and projected revenues. If for some reason either school is left out and the conference dismantles with no exit fees then I think there would be massive lawsuits against the other schools.
Also states and regions have money invested in bowl games and benefit from the economic boost it brings to the area. If the whole bowl system is changed then these cities would sue the conferences, NCAA, whomever.
I also think if this were to happen then big political pressure would start to happen. It could have big economic impacts if some schools are left out just so others can get richer. I believe that politicians would come into play, and possibly start to look into the tax exemption of the athletic departments. Taxing athletic departments would get us off to a great start with paying off the defecit:twitcy:
I may be way off with my thinking but I just think there is too much invested and too much to lose for some areas for the politicians to look away from this.
But UT playing in the Pac 10 will automatically give A&M a boost with some top athletes. They might be intrigued by playing against the best, each and every week.
Also, you act as if A&M could never upgrade their coach. They could easily hire a very good coach that is also a great recruiter. My point is, that they have just as much "infrastructure" as say Arkansas, Auburn or South Carolina. What I mean by infrastructure is alumni base, local talent to recruit, money and facilities.
It's not like if we're talking Texas Tech or KU going to the SEC.
Maybe we just sit tight and wait for Texas to **** up the B10. When that falls apart we can join forces with the leftovers of that mess to form a new conference. I imagine Indiana, northwestern, minnesota would be in a similar position as we are once the B10 dies.
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