*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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This won't work. There is too much cooperation and mutual benefit with each conference doing up front deals. Not enough wink-wink, back stabbing, and talking out of both sides of the mouth going on in this scenario.
Here's my realignment plan based on the following series of events:
1) A&M & West Virginia are 13th and 14th SEC teams.
2) Big East and B12 raises hell, Presidents are screaming, Government officials threaten intervention.
3) Commisioners and ESPN meet up to create plan to appease Presidents and Government.
4) ESPN will pay unreal money for 4 team playoff. 2 semi-final games on New Year's Day at rotating Bowl venues. Championship Game a week or so later at rotating Bowl venue prior to start of 2nd semester classes. Other bowls remain largely intact. 4 superconferences are formed with 70 teams total (current 67 BCS/AQ teams plus TCU, BYU and UCF). Conference championship games first Saturday in December prior to 1st Semester Finals. ESPN agrees to fund separate playoff system for C-USA, MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, MAC and service academies.
5) Presidents and key Government officials agree to plan contingent on all playoff pool money is distributed equally to all 70 teams.
Superconference dominoes fall as follows:
1) A&M and WVa to SEC
2) Top TV revenue producers ND and UT mull conference options and go separate ways. B12 and Big East dissolve.
3) In order to establish Southern recruiting presence and retain own 3rd Tier rights, ND decides on ACC and brings with them UConn, Syracuse and Pitt.
4) UT takes OU, TTech and Okie State to P12. Larry Scott permits LHN to remain.
5) Big 10 demands only AAU schools and picks up ISU, KU, Mizzou and Rutgers.
6) Texas politics force TCU and Baylor to P12 with Texas.
7) Due to time zone issues, Larry Scott also agrees to take BYU and K-State.
8) SEC forced to pick up leftovers Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and Central Florida who agree to reduced SEC revenue shares.
New ACC
North: Maryland, Virginia, VA Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, UConn, Notre Dame, Pitt
South: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, Clemson, GTech, FL State, Miami
New SEC
East: UCF, USF, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
West: Auburn, Alabama, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU, A&M, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Louisville
New B10:
East: Rutgers, Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern
West: Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Mizzou, Iowa St
New Pac 20:
East: Texas, TX Tech, Oklahoma, OK State, Baylor, TCU, K-State, BYU, Utah, Colorado
West: Washington, Wash State, Oregon, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
1) A&M & West Virginia are 13th and 14th SEC teams.
2) Big East and B12 raises hell, Presidents are screaming, Government officials threaten intervention.
3) Commisioners and ESPN meet up to create plan to appease Presidents and Government.
4) ESPN will pay unreal money for 4 team playoff. 2 semi-final games on New Year's Day at rotating Bowl venues. Championship Game a week or so later at rotating Bowl venue prior to start of 2nd semester classes. Other bowls remain largely intact. 4 superconferences are formed with 70 teams total (current 67 BCS/AQ teams plus TCU, BYU and UCF). Conference championship games first Saturday in December prior to 1st Semester Finals. ESPN agrees to fund separate playoff system for C-USA, MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, MAC and service academies.
5) Presidents and key Government officials agree to plan contingent on all playoff pool money is distributed equally to all 70 teams.
Superconference dominoes fall as follows:
1) A&M and WVa to SEC
2) Top TV revenue producers ND and UT mull conference options and go separate ways. B12 and Big East dissolve.
3) In order to establish Southern recruiting presence and retain own 3rd Tier rights, ND decides on ACC and brings with them UConn, Syracuse and Pitt.
4) UT takes OU, TTech and Okie State to P12. Larry Scott permits LHN to remain.
5) Big 10 demands only AAU schools and picks up ISU, KU, Mizzou and Rutgers.
6) Texas politics force TCU and Baylor to P12 with Texas.
7) Due to time zone issues, Larry Scott also agrees to take BYU and K-State.
8) SEC forced to pick up leftovers Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and Central Florida who agree to reduced SEC revenue shares.
New ACC
North: Maryland, Virginia, VA Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, UConn, Notre Dame, Pitt
South: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, Clemson, GTech, FL State, Miami
New SEC
East: UCF, USF, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
West: Auburn, Alabama, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU, A&M, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Louisville
New B10:
East: Rutgers, Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern
West: Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Mizzou, Iowa St
New Pac 20:
East: Texas, TX Tech, Oklahoma, OK State, Baylor, TCU, K-State, BYU, Utah, Colorado
West: Washington, Wash State, Oregon, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
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I like it. Especially when the Big 10 basketball schools take a huge hit in the RPI dept because they will lose the benefit of playing the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. It would be better to see the Big 10/Pac 12 challenge.... it would pit 2 conferences that always appear to have quality teams but end up doing absolutely nothing in the Big Dance. Fantastic. :yes:
I think the Big Ten/Pac-12 would actually be ok with that. Kind of a basketball Rose Bowl.
It seems crazy, and probably is, that 3 conferences would cooperate to that degree but it does make sense. Big East would be all over it because it allows them to basically keep their current b-ball set-up and protects them from having their football schools get pillaged. Big 12 (a.k.a. Texas) should find it attractive because it essentially keeps the current conference intact, only swapping A&M for TCU and should lock everything up a lot tighter than it was after last summer. The ACC probably has the least to gain, but if Miami does get the death penalty, removing that black eye may be a pretty big benefit to them.
agreed, the only way they ever extend an invite to ISU is if there is a wild grab for teams during a superconference formation. And that would be a last ditch attempt to avoid bringing in a non AQ team.
No, they certainly do not and I think it's highly unlikely that they would. However, in the event that it's financially beneficial I see no reason why the B1G presidents would actively block ISU. We do have the academic credentials not to be a "hell no". I'd say with the right (unlikely) set of circumstances we would be a "sure, why not."
It's unlikely but not nearly insane.
Thought this was interesting. An aggie fan wrote to one of the state reps in Texas about conference realignment and why and SEC move would be good for aggies. This is the response received:
Thank you for your communication to the office of Representative Burt Solomons regarding the posting for the House Higher Education Committee's hearing for August 16, 2011 regarding collegiate athletics. While this hearing has been cancelled at the present time, it is the intention of Chairman Dan Branch to repost the hearing upon any offer to a Texas State University member of the Big 12 Conference to join a different NCAA conference.
The Texas Legislature has no authority to initiate, negotiate, or veto an offer by a NCAA conference to a Texas university to transfer to a different. It is not the intent of Chairman Branch to influence the decision of an NCAA conference to make or rescind an offer to a Texas university, nor to influence the decision of a Texas university with such an offer. Rather, Chairman Branch, as well as Chairman Solomons, is concerned about the financial impact this will have not only on the school which opts to transfer, but for the remaining Texas State universities in the Big 12.
Three of the four Texas universities in the Big 12 Conference are State Universities (Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and the University of Texas). If one of these schools transferred to a different conference at this point in the season, they would be violating a contract with the Big 12, possibly costing the university upwards of $30 million and jeopardizing a TV contract with which the Big 12 has with Fox Sports. If the contract with Fox Sports is invalidated, it could severely impact the revenues which are expected to be received by the other Texas State universities in the Big 12.
Not only does the budget recently passed by the Texas Legislature for the 2012-2013 biennium not include funds for these kinds of contract revocation penalties, but it depends on the revenue from the TV contracts to help support the State Universities. This potential funding impact to our institutions is the intended focus of Chairman Branch for a hearing of the Higher Education Committee.
As I stated, although the August 16, 2011 hearing was cancelled, if an offer is made during the season for a State University to transfer to another conference, Chairman Branch does intend to have a hearing at that time. Chairman Solomons does not sit on the Higher Education Committee, although as an avid Red Raider supporter, he will be monitoring the hearing and how any move would impact our State budget and the remaining universities in the Big 12. If you have any questions about the hearing, or would wish to attend to testify, please let our office know and we would be happy to put you in contact with Chairman Branch's office.
Cordially,
Bonnie Bruce
Chief of Staff
Office of State Rep. Burt R. Solomons
Room 1W.11
P.O. Box 2910
Austin, TX 78768-2910
512-463-0478
Thank you for your communication to the office of Representative Burt Solomons regarding the posting for the House Higher Education Committee's hearing for August 16, 2011 regarding collegiate athletics. While this hearing has been cancelled at the present time, it is the intention of Chairman Dan Branch to repost the hearing upon any offer to a Texas State University member of the Big 12 Conference to join a different NCAA conference.
The Texas Legislature has no authority to initiate, negotiate, or veto an offer by a NCAA conference to a Texas university to transfer to a different. It is not the intent of Chairman Branch to influence the decision of an NCAA conference to make or rescind an offer to a Texas university, nor to influence the decision of a Texas university with such an offer. Rather, Chairman Branch, as well as Chairman Solomons, is concerned about the financial impact this will have not only on the school which opts to transfer, but for the remaining Texas State universities in the Big 12.
Three of the four Texas universities in the Big 12 Conference are State Universities (Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and the University of Texas). If one of these schools transferred to a different conference at this point in the season, they would be violating a contract with the Big 12, possibly costing the university upwards of $30 million and jeopardizing a TV contract with which the Big 12 has with Fox Sports. If the contract with Fox Sports is invalidated, it could severely impact the revenues which are expected to be received by the other Texas State universities in the Big 12.
Not only does the budget recently passed by the Texas Legislature for the 2012-2013 biennium not include funds for these kinds of contract revocation penalties, but it depends on the revenue from the TV contracts to help support the State Universities. This potential funding impact to our institutions is the intended focus of Chairman Branch for a hearing of the Higher Education Committee.
As I stated, although the August 16, 2011 hearing was cancelled, if an offer is made during the season for a State University to transfer to another conference, Chairman Branch does intend to have a hearing at that time. Chairman Solomons does not sit on the Higher Education Committee, although as an avid Red Raider supporter, he will be monitoring the hearing and how any move would impact our State budget and the remaining universities in the Big 12. If you have any questions about the hearing, or would wish to attend to testify, please let our office know and we would be happy to put you in contact with Chairman Branch's office.
Cordially,
Bonnie Bruce
Chief of Staff
Office of State Rep. Burt R. Solomons
Room 1W.11
P.O. Box 2910
Austin, TX 78768-2910
512-463-0478
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Guys, an administrator called me up sat and asked about acc/be merger. Said thats what he's hearing. I am not saying that is eminent.
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Guys, an administrator called me up sat and asked about acc/be merger. Said thats what he's hearing. I am not saying that is eminent.
Bill King
@BillisKing Franklin, TN
The VOX of College Sports and Host of 247Sports Radio's on Campus w/Bill King. Mornings 7a-10a ET M-F on SiriusXM 91.
Bill King's Official Website
In a superconference scramble, it is highly likely that the B10 will continue to expand with only AAU schools and their legitimate options will be limited to ISU, KU, Mizzou, Pitt and Rutgers (assuming the ACC remains largely intact). If the ACC or SEC grabs one or more of those programs which is probable, then ISU goes to the B10 by default.
I think the point is if everything went crazy and we had mega-conferences who knows what would happen. You're taking this speculation way too seriously.
Heard that Jim Delany and Nevin Shapiro met and got a little tanked last night. Dead hooker count now ballooning at 47 and counting. Stay tuned.
To protect against the SEC? That's not necessarily a bad idea. However that is 21 football schools that would need to be consolidated. What happens to the castoffs? Does the SEC still get to poach who they want?
Food for thought.
It's usually best to bring in an outsider in cases like this. I shall prepare my resume'.
They come to the Big 12. Hence the 3-way conversations between those three conferences.
Hopefully it was more of a negotiation from a Big XII perspective. We don't want the crap that is left over... we need to be aggressive and get the teams that we want.
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