*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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For ISU to get screwed in this whole thing...(which is not going to happen IMO)
To get to 64 teams, they would have to elimate both the Big12 and Big East. So our 2 conferences would be poached to death.
I am just saying there are 48 Teams currently from the ACC, PAC, SEC and B10
64 - 48 = 16 spots left to 64
The Big 12 with A&M and Big East (TCU) have 19 spots that need to be filled.
Then we have ND, BSU, BYU etc..
IF I were a betting man, I would say ISU is left off that list.
Now 72 then we are fine and we would be forced into the Big10 most likely depending on who poached who...
My guess is the Big12 lands a couple more teams and all is well again.
I think these Super Conferences are way overrated. They could do a playoff with what we have now. There is no need for 18 teams to be in one conference.
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Agree, no need for super conferences twelve is the limit in my opinion. Bigger is not better trying to keep 16-18 teams happy anymore is impossible.
I got to stop working and CF'n at the same time. LOL...
A lot of it depends on the order, but we're talking about 4 leagues (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, and SEC) adding 6-8 teams EACH.
ISU is included in this 18-20 structure for sure. In fact there would be competition for our inclusion because it would likely mean some leagues would be adding non BCS teams with inferior facilities. Which is why 18 would be more likely than 20. 16 involves law suits of kicking teams out of the BCS, 20 involves raising up a few teams with questionable facilities.
Let's say there's this push to 18-20 based around the 4 leagues that seem to not get poached, here's what could happen:
Pac 12 mostly gets over half it's expansion from Big 12, Most likely OU/OSU and some Texas schools, slim chance KU/KSU but likely not ISU/Missouri. They probably also pick up BSU/BYU and maybe Nevada. Academic tradition no longer exists if every league is 18-20. It's just football/revenue now. So the Pac 12 covers about 1/3 of the country now. Why would they prefer to get one or two new teams in the east or central time zone when they already cover 1/3 of the nation solid. Current Pac 12 commissioner was hyper aggressive last round and they are the most isolated geographically so I'm guessing they expand first, he's also the only one whose PUBLIC GOAL is 4 16 team leagues already.
Big Ten, ACC and SEC would be left. They each need to add 6-8 teams, 18-24 total. All they have to chose from is Notre Dame, 9 Big East teams, maybe 2-5 Big 12 teams, and non BCS schools.
The only way ISU WOULD NOT be in the Big Ten in that scenario is if the Big Ten went to 18-20 teams while everybody else sat still with 12 with the only goal being a larger television footprint. Any other scenario and ISU ends up grouped with the current Big Ten schools. ISU fits the Big Ten's current footprint better than any other team, we're exactly in the center of three existing teams and they probably added 4-5 "new market" teams already.
There simply aren't enough teams for 18-20 where we're not in the Big Ten, especially 20. Do people think being with the current ACC teams is more likely because that's the second most likely spot if the hypothetical 18-20 team leagues come about?
4 superconferences will shake out like this with 70 schools:
1) A&M & West Virginia are 13th and 14th SEC teams.
2) School Presidents are screaming, Government officials threaten intervention.
3) Commisioners, ESPN, Fox and CBS meet up to create plan to appease Presidents and Government.
4) ESPN will pay unreal money for 4 team playoff. 2 semi-final games on New Year's Day at rotating Bowl venues. Championship Game a week or so later at rotating Bowl venue prior to start of 2nd semester classes. Other bowls remain largely intact. 4 superconferences are formed with 70 teams total (current 67 BCS/AQ teams plus TCU, BYU and UCF). Conference championship games first Saturday in December prior to 1st Semester Finals. ESPN agrees to fund separate playoff system for C-USA, MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, MAC and service academies.
5) Presidents and key Government officials agree to plan contingent on all playoff pool money is distributed equally to all 70 teams.
Superconference dominoes fall as follows:
1) A&M and WVa to SEC
2) Top TV revenue producers ND and UT mull conference options and go separate ways. B12 and Big East dissolve.
3) In order to establish Southern recruiting presence and retain own 3rd Tier rights not available in B10, ND decides on ACC and brings with them UConn, Syracuse and Pitt.
4) UT takes OU, TTech and Okie State to P12. Larry Scott permits LHN to remain.
5) Big 10 demands only AAU schools and picks up remaining AAU schools: ISU, KU, Mizzou and Rutgers.
6) Texas politics force TCU and Baylor to P12 with Texas.
7) Due to time zone issues, Larry Scott also agrees to take BYU and K-State.
8) SEC forced to pick up SE leftovers Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and Central Florida who agree to reduced SEC revenue shares.
New ACC
North: Maryland, Virginia, VA Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, UConn, Notre Dame, Pitt
South: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, Clemson, GTech, FL State, Miami
New SEC
East: UCF, USF, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
West: Auburn, Alabama, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU, A&M, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Louisville
New B10:
East: Rutgers, Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern
West: Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Mizzou, Iowa St
New Pac 20:
East: Texas, TX Tech, Oklahoma, OK State, Baylor, TCU, K-State, BYU, Utah, Colorado
West: Washington, Wash State, Oregon, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
Feeling lazy this morning, but does anyone know if an AQ program has ever been demoted back down to non-AQ? Would this be the first time it has ever happened if we were to go with only 64 schools (4 conferences of 16)?
That's exactly what I'm talking about that, in that scenario there's only one spot that makes sense for ISU.
That scenario is totally different than if the Big Ten were to go first and just grab 4 teams that make it the most money. I can see why Big Ten fans think only of that scenario, but one like you and I are outlining is more likely.
Even if their wet dream comes true, a solution like yours is likely to follow after it.
Kind of ridiculous that each conference is competing for the almighty dollar in a race against the others under the guise of non-profit status...but I am not so sure there will be a political uproar for teams like ISU, KSU, Baylor, etc that will dictate inclusion. Perhaps the threat of lawsuit would be enough for inclusion, but I think we have to hope for this to happen quickly if it is a given it ultimately will happen to be assured a spot. It also pisses me off that states like Oklahoma and Kansas with two teams seem to look out for the interest of the other yet our politicians and media seem oblivouos to the possibilty the Economy of Iowa could be severely impacted if Iowa State were to be left out. Do they really think they will make up the money with Hawk support? More likely is you would see more of Western Iowa go Husker and more money leaving the state...
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Everyone is talking about the fact that you can't take Oklahoma without Okie St. and Kansas without K-State because they're tied at the hip or the state legislatures would get involved. In all I've seen so far Oklahoma is telling other conferences that if you want us you have to take Okie St. too and if they are I applaud them for sticking up for Okie St. even though I believe that if they wanted to OU could leave OSU behind to fend for themselves,same with Kansas. IMO
Yeah, I think you're right. State schools can be split up, but in the case of Kansas or Oklahoma, it would seem unlikely.
This is part of the reason why Oklahoma wants the Big 12 to live. For them it's only the Big 12 or Pac 12 b/c the Big 10 is a little jittery about OSU and the SEC doesn't want to overlap a TV footprint.
Big 12 could look to make schools legally binded together
Now this I like. Sign the damn papers and let's roll.
Now this I like. Sign the damn papers and let's roll.
No you can't. There are still posters out there that haven't given there opinion on how the super conferences should be aligned.
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