*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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"Source: Boren is 1 cuttin deal. He was very happy w where things were b4 showing up late 2 c Stoops and Castigilione this afternoon"
 

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Be careful im4cyclones. You can't win an argument with Chris because you know what they say about people like him. They bring you done to their level and beat you with experience.

If it does end up 4 - 16 team superconferences the Big 12 and Big East will be raided. The way I figure it there will be 5 teams left out. You just got to hope you are not one of those 5.
 

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OK, so I have a question. Maybe it's been answered, maybe not. Why would OU/OSU/etc want to join the PAC-Whatever in terms of BCS bowl access? Is there some way that the PAC would end up with 2 BCS bids? I'm not seeing how this makes sense. If the PAC went to 16, you basically have 2 conferences fighting for 1 BCS bid.

Oh my god. I cant possibly stand any more posts from this website. Why cant everyone think outside the box. The rules that are in place today will not be in place tomorrow when super conferences align. The BCS is going to die, the NCAA governing body is eventually going to die. We are on our way to a playoff system with 4 mega conferences that will eventually govern themselves outside the NCAA. This way they can leave behind teams like ISU and Baylor and not have to worry about anti trust suits. But everyone will know the winner from the 4 mega conferences is the true national champion.
 

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Oh my god. I cant possibly stand any more posts from this website. Why cant everyone think outside the box. The rules that are in place today will not be in place tomorrow when super conferences align. The BCS is going to die, the NCAA governing body is eventually going to die. We are on our way to a playoff system with 4 mega conferences that will eventually govern themselves outside the NCAA. This way they can leave behind teams like ISU and Baylor and not have to worry about anti trust suits. But everyone will know the winner from the 4 mega conferences is the true national champion.


Super conferences + playoffs = IRS
 

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Oh my god. I cant possibly stand any more posts from this website. Why cant everyone think outside the box. The rules that are in place today will not be in place tomorrow when super conferences align. The BCS is going to die, the NCAA governing body is eventually going to die. We are on our way to a playoff system with 4 mega conferences that will eventually govern themselves outside the NCAA. This way they can leave behind teams like ISU and Baylor and not have to worry about anti trust suits. But everyone will know the winner from the 4 mega conferences is the true national champion.

If you can't stand posts here, it is an optional activity.
 

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Oh my god. I cant possibly stand any more posts from this website. Why cant everyone think outside the box. The rules that are in place today will not be in place tomorrow when super conferences align. The BCS is going to die, the NCAA governing body is eventually going to die. We are on our way to a playoff system with 4 mega conferences that will eventually govern themselves outside the NCAA. This way they can leave behind teams like ISU and Baylor and not have to worry about anti trust suits. But everyone will know the winner from the 4 mega conferences is the true national champion.

The NCAA is more than FBS football. That is why the above scenario won't happen despite what the media has led you to believe.
 

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Your username has as much to do with A&M as mine does with being a hawkeye, but you had no problem calling me one because I'm not pumping sunshine about the future of ISU or the Big 12.

You are correct that JP and GG are taking the exact same stance. That means nothing about what role they have in any of this. Are they working in ISU's best interest? Of course they are. How much does that matter if we don't get asked to join in by the "haves"? Not much.

Conference realignment last year involved more dirty pool than you could imagine. Honestly we could get lucky as a result of this, but who knows.

I guess I don't understand your point. We both agree pollard is working hard for ISU. But you want to blame him if we don't get asked by the "halves?" Because our lack of historic success and small population is his fault?
 

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Baylor and ISU are two of them. If you arent in the Pac12, Big10, SEC your odds of being left out are pretty good. The 4th conference will be made up of what is left from the Big East and ACC.

Not necessarily. You should be willing to think outside of the box. Maybe there is a gentlemen's agreement between the Big 12, Big East and ACC. Maybe we're about to have the Goiter Belt Conference.

Think outside the box, man. The simpleton answer is that ISU gets left out, because that's what the Germans would have you believe.
 

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Oh my god. I cant possibly stand any more posts from this website. Why cant everyone think outside the box. The rules that are in place today will not be in place tomorrow when super conferences align. The BCS is going to die, the NCAA governing body is eventually going to die. We are on our way to a playoff system with 4 mega conferences that will eventually govern themselves outside the NCAA. This way they can leave behind teams like ISU and Baylor and not have to worry about anti trust suits. But everyone will know the winner from the 4 mega conferences is the true national champion.


If it pains you that much why come around?

No one and I mean no one will be disappointed if you leave this site forever.
 

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Oh my god. I cant possibly stand any more posts from this website. Why cant everyone think outside the box. The rules that are in place today will not be in place tomorrow when super conferences align. The BCS is going to die, the NCAA governing body is eventually going to die. We are on our way to a playoff system with 4 mega conferences that will eventually govern themselves outside the NCAA. This way they can leave behind teams like ISU and Baylor and not have to worry about anti trust suits. But everyone will know the winner from the 4 mega conferences is the true national champion.

Just wondering... Why would the powers that run the BCS (the AQ conferences) leave what they set up to creat a playoff when they have been VERY resistant to doing it now. The BCS is not a NCAA thing. We could have a playoff now if the power conferences wanted it.
 

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Not necessarily. You should be willing to think outside of the box. Maybe there is a gentlemen's agreement between the Big 12, Big East and ACC. Maybe we're about to have the Goiter Belt Conference.

Think outside the box, man. The simpleton answer is that ISU gets left out, because that's what the Germans would have you believe.

Thinking outside the box and total ignorance are two completely different things.
 

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Latest from Orangebloods doesn't look good:

Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres
Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe convened a conference call late Friday afternoon with a handful of his conference's presidents to discuss the increasing possibility that Oklahoma wants to bolt the Big 12 for the Pac-12, multiple sources said.

Texas president Bill Powers, Oklahoma president David Boren and Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin were excluded from the call, sources said. But Beebe advised the other presidents in the Big 12 to "work on Texas" to get the Longhorns to stay in the Big 12, sources said.

It's Beebe's belief that if Texas refuses to go to the Pac-12 that Oklahoma would not get a bid from the Pac-12, sources said. But another source close to the situation said if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State indicated to the Pac-12 that they wanted to be a part of that league, they would be admitted.

Beebe released a statement to Orangebloods.com Friday night that said, "We continue to work hard for the long-term stability of the Big 12 Conference."

Boren dropped a bombshell on Friday when he said no one has been more active than the Sooners in surveying their options for the future and that OU would be no wallflower.

"At this point in time, I'll be very honest with you in saying I do not know with certainty, or perhaps even can't hazard a totally intelligent guess as to what our final decision will be," Boren told reporters. "But we are carefully looking over all the options. We are ? there's no school more active in the Big 12 more active than we are right now."

Sources said the Longhorns have been actively working to hold the Big 12 together. Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and OU athletic director Joe Castiglione are on the five-member Big 12 expansion committee charged with looking for new members to join the Big 12. But if Oklahoma bolts, Texas would consider the Big 12 dead and probably follow the Sooners to the Pac-12.

When I texted a key source close to Texas Friday night if the Longhorns were preparing to head to the Pac-12 with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, the source texted back, "Leaning that way." The source later said there was a "50 to 60 percent" chance those schools would end up in the Pac-12.

Any move by Texas to the Pac-12 would not be an easy one. First, there is the issue of the Longhorn Network. No schools in the Pac-12 are allowed to have their own network. Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott has set up a series of regional networks that partner two schools together to share revenue from third-tier rights with each other and with the Pac-12.

So Texas' Longhorn Network, which launched on Aug. 26 and still can't even be seen by most of the Lone Star State, would likely have to be turned into one of the Pac-12's regional networks (and most likely partner with Texas Tech).

And that would mean Texas basically tearing up the 20-year, $300 million deal it just inked with ESPN and giving up its riches.

An industry source with direct knowledge of the Longhorn Network said turning LHN into a regional network in the Pac-12 would be "very difficult." When I asked if it was impossible, the source said, "After last year, I don't subscribe to that word anymore."

That source doubted Texas was going anywhere. That source also doubted that Oklahoma would go anywhere without Texas.

Sources said Texas officials told them last year the Longhorns were reluctant to go to the Pac-12 because they would lose a lot of the power they enjoy in the Big 12. The sources said Texas feared being out-voted and muscled in the Pac-12 by the power brokers in that conference ? the original Pac-8 (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State).

But Texas' move to the Pac-12 would also be difficult because of the legislative heat the Longhorns would likely face. Legislative sources said Friday night that part of the reason Texas A&M was allowed to withdraw from the Big 12 was because of assurances from the rest of the Big 12 that the league would survive.

Now that it appears the Big 12 is in serious jeopardy, lawmakers will not be so passive, sources said.

Two Big 12 sources said if Oklahoma and Texas are preparing to lead a charge to the Pac-12 there would almost certainly be a tortious interference lawsuit filed against the Southeastern Conference. That's if Texas A&M indeed submits its application for membership to the SEC next Tuesday or Wednesday as expected, according to sources.

"Texas A&M leaving has started this whole thing," one source said. "There is a big-time lawsuit here."

The potential of such legal action and the real possibility the Big 12 could collapse prompted another Big 12 source to wonder if the SEC would now hesitate to accept Texas A&M, considering the fallout that could befall the Big 12.

Messages left with officials from Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech as well as Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott were not returned Friday night.

Stay tuned.
 
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