JP is a helluva poker player; would win mega-bucks if he did play for pay I think.
*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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I guarantee you if that scenario happens, the schools involved will lose both tax exempt and anti-trust exempt status. Our two senators and the Hon. Orin Hatch will see to that. The lawsuits will fly, or there will be one very large class-action against those teams that exclude the likes of ISU and Baylor. Of course, this is opinion based on knowledge rather than fact, but it is common sense the schools left out will fight tooth and nail before accepting non-AQ status.
So, that whole speech by Boren was a power-play against ESPN? If it works out for them, genius; if not, the Pac-16 beckons -- still genius.
BTW, doesn't anyone on this board remember about Dodds' statement about if the Big 12 dissolves, UT and ND are prepared to form a new conference? I don't think that message was purely smoke. Admins of both universities should know that if the Big 12 goes down the super-conference scenario becomes reality. ND will have to find a conference home and the Big Ten doesn't allow for independent TV networks. Of course that means UT will have to share power with ND within the conference, but UT will finally know they need to share if they want to stay in a conference. Sometimes it takes disaster to happen in order for some people to learn from their mistakes.
I think one of JP's contingency plans, to the chagrin of most posters here, is to stick with UT if they decide to form their own conference; joining the Big East is the other plan. Joining the MW if all else fails followed by joining a class action suit against those schools primarily responsible for excluding the "have nots" from opportunity to participate in the coming playoff scenario after Congress pulls all exemptions from all schools forming the super-conferences. This super-conference scenario will probably be settled in court ultimately. In the mean time, the going will be pretty rough for schools like ISU.
This is what doesn't add up for me:
Texas has made it clear they want a league they can run. They haven't made too many concessions in the Big 12, arguably to the point of it's death.
Why would they just decide to join the Pac and play "good conference member" now? Why not just start doing that in the Big 12, thus allowing it to rebuild?
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think Texas follows OU to the Pac Whatever, if OU goes.
Texas has made it clear they want a league they can run. They haven't made too many concessions in the Big 12, arguably to the point of it's death.
Why would they just decide to join the Pac and play "good conference member" now? Why not just start doing that in the Big 12, thus allowing it to rebuild?
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think Texas follows OU to the Pac Whatever, if OU goes.
This is a scary great question. I'm pretty sure earth moving was set to begin in August for this and it is now September, and no digging yet.
I guess the thing that would worry me most right now would be the fact that the conference commish is having conference meetings with all members EXCEPT UT, OU, & TAMU.
Bebee must think OU has already made up their mind if he's willing to hold a conference call and basically say "Beg Texas to stay, otherwise we're all ******!"
Wouldn't everyone agree the conference call last night reeks of desperation?
Bebee must think OU has already made up their mind if he's willing to hold a conference call and basically say "Beg Texas to stay, otherwise we're all ******!"
Wouldn't everyone agree the conference call last night reeks of desperation?
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The problem for Texas is that it overplayed its hand and now it doesn't hold the cards.
At this point, UT may not have a choice. If OU/Okie St. bolt, it more or less forces UT's hand -whether they like it or not.
OU has UT by the balls, and UT knows it. If OU/Okie State (and likely Mizzou) leave the conference, all UT has left to rebuild the Big 12 with is SMU, Houston, etc. Texas was in the SWC once, they didn't like it and it failed.
UT would have to join a conference if OU bolted because they wouldn't have a home for their non revenue sports as an indy - no conference is giving UT the sweetheart deal ND has with the Big East for the non revenue sports.
Texas would be forced to join a conference and give up all the power they treasure if OU decided to leave - that is the one beautiful irony in all of this. The super powerful University of Texas really has very little say in their athletic future right now.
Very desperate. I think Beebe is the most desperate party not named "Baylor" in all of this.
I'm almost ready to gamble on the new Big East contract.
FWIW, I think the most likely scenario if OU leaves involves this:
-OU, UT, TTU, OSU in the Pac-16
-Mizzou in the SEC
-SEC stuck at 14, as the ACC seems unified and I do not think they are available for raiding.
-B1G staying at 12, as there is no longer a revenue maker (besides ND) available. Also, the B1G's track record suggests they will watch someone else try 16 and see if it works before doing so themselves, much like they did with 12.
-ISU, KSU, KU to the Big East, which now has 12.
My gut feeling tells me that one of ISU's non-con games in 2011 is a conference game in 2012.
I think you're right if the Big 12 does indeed fold. I really hope OU is just bluffing here. Every indication is that BYU is ready to join.
Huh? Yesterday, many outlets were reporting that BYU won't join unless all schools give them ATLEAST a 10 year commitment...and I don't see that happening.
Look at this gauntlet of a bowl schedule for the Big East! Who wouldn't want to be a member????
Bowl Championship Series
Champs Sports Bowl
Belk Bowl
New Era Pinstripe Bowl
BBVA Compass Bowl / AutoZone Liberty Bowl
Beef ‘O’ Brady’s Bowl
/sarcasm
And yes, I know that massive realignment likely means realignment of the bowl system.
Bowl Championship Series
Champs Sports Bowl
Belk Bowl
New Era Pinstripe Bowl
BBVA Compass Bowl / AutoZone Liberty Bowl
Beef ‘O’ Brady’s Bowl
/sarcasm
And yes, I know that massive realignment likely means realignment of the bowl system.
There was no indication other than message board rumors that BYU was anywhere close to joining. The Baylor AD said last night the all expansion was on hold pending OU's decision. There's no way that would be the case if BYU was hot to trott.
One thing that I think is overblown is the "jump to 16".
If Big 12 explodes, the Pac will likely go to 16.
But I don't think the SEC and B1G will be so fast to do so. The SEC will be able to get Mizzou for 14. I don't think they will be able to poach any ACC teams, however. The ACC seems unified.
The Big 10 doesn't move rashly, either. If they don't get Notre Dame lining up to join (and Notre Dame won't be lining up if they are the key to Big 10 expansion), no one else really makes them money. Given their history, I think they'd be a little more likely to take a "wait and see" approach to the 16 thing, keeping a close eye on how that works out for the Pac.
This stabilizes the Big East/ACC, at least for a few years.
If Big 12 explodes, the Pac will likely go to 16.
But I don't think the SEC and B1G will be so fast to do so. The SEC will be able to get Mizzou for 14. I don't think they will be able to poach any ACC teams, however. The ACC seems unified.
The Big 10 doesn't move rashly, either. If they don't get Notre Dame lining up to join (and Notre Dame won't be lining up if they are the key to Big 10 expansion), no one else really makes them money. Given their history, I think they'd be a little more likely to take a "wait and see" approach to the 16 thing, keeping a close eye on how that works out for the Pac.
This stabilizes the Big East/ACC, at least for a few years.
Up till now I had prided myself in having read every post (for better or worse) in this amazing thread. Now I find myself 50+ pages behind and lacking the motivation to catch up. Is there anything worth reading in there? Or is it time to abandon it and just enjoy football?
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It would be quite foolish to start any project that requires debt. Currently we're at a point where we can't prepare a budget after July 1.
You think Texas doesn't have it in their hand to keep OU in the Big 12? Of course they do. They just have to make some concessions. The other player with the power is ESPN. They want smaller conferences to keep the carriage fees manageable.
UT just has to concede on certain points to keep OU. And if their only other option is to give up everything and pile into another conference, this will get done. They would rather lose a little money and be top dog in the Big 12. They have shown this, and I think the conference stays together. What Beebe needs to do is get a tighter contract binding these damn schools if he wants to avoid this every year.
You have MU and OU looking to do what NU, CU and A&M did. Texas must make MAJOR concessions to make the Big 12 work. Even then, I think it would be too late. OU approached the Big 10 a few weeks back.
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