If I'm the big east and looking for a second texas member, i might look at Houston before Baylor. I've already got a team in the Dallas market, but getting one in the Houston market would be better than Waco. Plus Houston is a much larger school.
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If I'm the big east and looking for a second texas member, i might look at Houston before Baylor. I've already got a team in the Dallas market, but getting one in the Houston market would be better than Waco. Plus Houston is a much larger school.
My biggest hope is the Big XII holds together (I think, although I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth it anymore) but if it does in fact implode then I wouldn't mind mind this setup at all.
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Definitely a possibility too. I think our enrollment/alumni base will propel us over Baylor. There are simply more people with ISU connections who would be tuning in for those games.
The one problem with projecting what the Big East may look like is that we simply don't know.
In order for the Big 10 & SEC to expand to 16, there is no doubt in my mind that those two conferences will take 3-6 ACC schools to get where they are going. Where will the ACC go to replace its lost members? The Big East. WVA, Pitt, Syracuse, & Rutgers would all be desirable for the ACC and would be likely replacements for lost ACC schools.
My best guess is that once the PAC 16, Big 10, & SEC have settled on who they want, you will see a fourth "leftovers" BCS conference emerge. The TV deal won't be incredibly lucrative, but there will be some good members and it will allow the current BCS AQ schools to keep their status. I could see it growing to as large as 20-24 schools just to make sure everyone gets in that deserves to get in. Perhaps it could look like this:
Southwest Division:
Hawaii
BYU
Houston
TCU
SMU
Baylor
Midwest Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Northeast
Syracuse
Uconn
Boston College
Rutgers
Cincinnati
Maryland
Southeast
Clemson
Wake Forest
Florida State
Miami
USF
Georgia Tech
The above was off the top of my head and jotted down quickly, but it is what I see happening....basically, every school that gets "left behind" by the SEC/PAC/B1G will band together to form a somewhat national conference to maintain their AQ BCS status.
In order for the Big 10 & SEC to expand to 16, there is no doubt in my mind that those two conferences will take 3-6 ACC schools to get where they are going. Where will the ACC go to replace its lost members? The Big East. WVA, Pitt, Syracuse, & Rutgers would all be desirable for the ACC and would be likely replacements for lost ACC schools.
My best guess is that once the PAC 16, Big 10, & SEC have settled on who they want, you will see a fourth "leftovers" BCS conference emerge. The TV deal won't be incredibly lucrative, but there will be some good members and it will allow the current BCS AQ schools to keep their status. I could see it growing to as large as 20-24 schools just to make sure everyone gets in that deserves to get in. Perhaps it could look like this:
Southwest Division:
Hawaii
BYU
Houston
TCU
SMU
Baylor
Midwest Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Northeast
Syracuse
Uconn
Boston College
Rutgers
Cincinnati
Maryland
Southeast
Clemson
Wake Forest
Florida State
Miami
USF
Georgia Tech
The above was off the top of my head and jotted down quickly, but it is what I see happening....basically, every school that gets "left behind" by the SEC/PAC/B1G will band together to form a somewhat national conference to maintain their AQ BCS status.
There should be no such thing as a 24 team conference. If we are forming a 24 team conference just to hold on to Automatic Qualifier status, then the BCS system should really just fall over and die.
And I defend the bowl system regularly (not so much BCS)...
And I defend the bowl system regularly (not so much BCS)...
Would you prefer to see ISU in the MAC?
If we assume the 4th super conference is only 16 schools, there is a good chance that someone is getting left out (actually, it is a mathematical certainty that someone will get left out).
There will be a lot of political pressure for current AQ members to hold on to their AQ status...if the only way to ensure that is to create a viable 24 team league, I'll pretty much guarantee that will happen.
All this talk of teams exploring other options right now makes me wonder if the Big 12 is having problems adding members to the league.
20 is about as large as you could go.
Above 16 youre basically talking about 2 conferences that settle their titles during the regular season with a championship game between them. Above 10 it doesnt work so much without divisions.
Assuming PAC 16 forms (which is still an assumption), I'm not sure the Big Ten and SEC automatically jump to 16 teams.
As usual, this realignment thread is full of experts in conventional wisdom. We found last summer that there is a lot of pressure from big players to prevent 16 team leagues. Don't think that magically goes away a year later.
It's been reported in Oklahoma papers that after ND and Arkansas turned down Big 12 advances, OU has not felt that other schools in the running for possible membership (BYU, SMU, etc.) are up to par. That may be what has pushed OU to look strongly at the Pac 12.
What if nobody leaves the ACC? Then this is all moot. All indicators coming out of that league are that it's members don't want to do that.
The Big 10 isn't going to add 4 teams for the hell of it. There's no reason to do it if it won't make money, right? If no teams leave the ACC, and Texas and OU are in the Pac, the Big 10 doesn't have any money makers on the table.
Superconferences can't happen if the ACC stays together as it is, unless some conference wants to add a bunch of schools that won't make them more money.
Yes. PAC 16 does not automatically mean 4 super conferences. If it happens, the ACC and Big Ten would be smart to wait to see how it goes.
All signs suggest that Texas would blow up the league in 5 years or so.
Rumor is ARK, ND, and PITT said no. BYU is/was onboard, but OU didn't like Air Force or any of the other choices and decided to move on unless Beebe can pull a rabbit out of the hat again.
I don't think the B10 does anything for the time being. I believe Delaney when he says that. He is much more honest than Larry Scott.
Pac goes to 16, SEC goes to 14 and BE goes to 12 or 14. ACC and B10 stay put for now.
Pac goes to 16, SEC goes to 14 and BE goes to 12 or 14. ACC and B10 stay put for now.
ESPN really wants to avoid 16-team superconferences.
And I think you're right, the Big 10 is going to be very reluctant to go to 16. Yeah Delany talked a big game last year about 16 (likely a bit of a bluff to try and force Notre Dame) but at the same time talked about how "we're a conference and we like to play each other." Doesn't sound like he'd really be thrilled about having 8 or 10 team divisions and taking 6-8 years for everyone to get a game against each other.
It sounds like the Scott and the Pac-XX doesn't really care about any of that, so they'll probably go 16...and the SEC too, if they can get the votes together to add everyone. (Though SEC-14 wouldn't surprise me either if they stop there).
After that...I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN tries to throw money at the problem to keep Big 10/ACC/Big East at some 12-team combos.
I'm just not sure that if one goes to 16, the rest have to follow...especially immediately. It's not going to kill the Big 10 or ACC to sit back for a few years and see if a 16 team conference can really hold together, or if after a few years of traditional powers going 6-6 with not much hope for improvement they break apart.
I think this is the general feeling here in Tobacco Road.
Think about it. Why would Virginia Tech/UNC/etc. want to go to the SEC where they would have a tougher road to travel to a national championship, when they could stay in a conference that they are more similar to, academically, in the ACC and would have an easier time earning a perfect record. Plus Virginia politicians raised holy H E double hockey sticks to get VT into the ACC. There's no way they let VT and UVA split up again. Same goes for North Carolina Politicians. I don't think there's anyway UNC leaves the ACC without NC State and Duke.
There's no chance of Clemson or Florida State switching because of the existing SEC schools in those states, and those two schools are probably the best fit schools for the SEC.
I don't think the SEC is going to take any of the Big East schools and I think they'll actually have a hard time finding a 14th school.
"The network could have been the straw that broke the camel's back," Pickens said.
Dodds "is a friend of mine," Pickens said. "But DeLoss had too many cards and he played every damn one of them. I think that's too bad. You get tired of saying ‘aaah' while you get something shoved down your throat."
Dodds "is a friend of mine," Pickens said. "But DeLoss had too many cards and he played every damn one of them. I think that's too bad. You get tired of saying ‘aaah' while you get something shoved down your throat."
I think everything is waiting on one domino to fall. That domino is who will be the 14th SEC member. If there isn't anyone who joins, then maybe everything stays ~status quo (fingers crossed) and A&M gets egg in the face for years to come. If there is a 14th member then... you know what happens.
I think the key for the Big XII is what teams are we able to attract and do those teams satisfy OU and UT.
