*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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I think OU wanted to get this done quickly before the NCAA cracks down on them. There's a good chance OU's basketball program could get the death penalty because of their recent multiple major violations within five years. Kind of like NU getting in the B1G before the AAU dumped them.


I'll wager a years salary.. that not only is OU basketball not going to get the death penalty, that the Basketball is so far down the list no one in the PAc cares
 
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My goodness. I guess our best hope is that the Big East still has a spot for us. I didn't think that the Presidents of these universities would end up being this purely self-interested. These places are supposed to be some of our prime examples of ideals and virtues. It's just sickening.

If this happens, I think we will look back on all this and see it is the end of an era and the beginning of new one TOTALLY about greed. College football is basically dead as an amateur sport. Just call it what it is - the NFL minor leagues.

This whole thing just sceams of the need for a Kenesaw Mountain Landis to wade in and just corral all these mavericks and bring some order to the chaos. It's clearly out of control and the NCAA clearly has been rendered impotent.

I'm officially depressed.

If only we had a like button....
 

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For what little it is worth, every time I saw JP before the game today he was on his Bluetooth Headset talking to someone...
 

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Lots of ways to interpret what is going on with OU and the others. That situation gets worse and worse. I suppose Texas wins again, as the situation that appeared to be happening last year is pretty much going down now, with the others taking the lead and the blame. ESPN can't be pleased, since they gave the LHN money to UT to stay home (despite the lack of content) and probably thought they'd kept the status quo for a few years at least. What will be done this time to heal this rift? Will there be a Sooner network deal done to keep them in the fold?
 

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If this happens, I think we will look back on all this and see it is the end of an era and the beginning of new one TOTALLY about greed. College football is basically dead as an amateur sport. Just call it what it is - the NFL minor leagues.

I disagree, I think this period of time will be looked back at as an "Experiment" kind of like prohibition. I do think we'll end up with 4x16 team conferences in the next 2 years and I think that its unlikely that ISU ends up in one of them, but definitely still possible. But in the long term, i don't think it matters. , I think the superconference will only last about 10 or maybe 15 years. What happens when Texas or any of the other historically big, successful schools gets into their new conference and doesn't like something that disadvantages them. You think they'll just sit by quietly and suddenly be "team players" You think A&M will be OK with 8 straight losing seasons in the SEC? You think USC and Stanford won't get sick of Texas the same way the big12 teams did?

I think it's highly unlikely that the 64 teams will suddenly all be happy with the new format and that'll be it for conference realignment forever. I think that one or more of the superconference will split in half within 12 years, and at that point, they'll go back to 8-12 team conference and when that happens a few teams that have been on the outside looking in during the superconference experiment will get back into major football.
 

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I disagree, I think this period of time will be looked back at as an "Experiment" kind of like prohibition. I do think we'll end up with 4x16 team conferences in the next 2 years and I think that its unlikely that ISU ends up in one of them, but definitely still possible. But in the long term, i don't think it matters. , I think the superconference will only last about 10 or maybe 15 years. What happens when Texas or any of the other historically big, successful schools gets into their new conference and doesn't like something that disadvantages them. You think they'll just sit by quietly and suddenly be "team players" You think A&M will be OK with 8 straight losing seasons in the SEC? You think USC and Stanford won't get sick of Texas the same way the big12 teams did?

I think it's highly unlikely that the 64 teams will suddenly all be happy with the new format and that'll be it for conference realignment forever. I think that one or more of the superconference will split in half within 12 years, and at that point, they'll go back to 8-12 team conference and when that happens a few teams that have been on the outside looking in during the superconference experiment will get back into major football.
The expanded 16 team WAC lasted three years before splitting; I don't give the super-conferences seven years if they form.
 
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I disagree, I think this period of time will be looked back at as an "Experiment" kind of like prohibition. I do think we'll end up with 4x16 team conferences in the next 2 years and I think that its unlikely that ISU ends up in one of them, but definitely still possible. But in the long term, i don't think it matters. , I think the superconference will only last about 10 or maybe 15 years. What happens when Texas or any of the other historically big, successful schools gets into their new conference and doesn't like something that disadvantages them. You think they'll just sit by quietly and suddenly be "team players" You think A&M will be OK with 8 straight losing seasons in the SEC? You think USC and Stanford won't get sick of Texas the same way the big12 teams did?

I think it's highly unlikely that the 64 teams will suddenly all be happy with the new format and that'll be it for conference realignment forever. I think that one or more of the superconference will split in half within 12 years, and at that point, they'll go back to 8-12 team conference and when that happens a few teams that have been on the outside looking in during the superconference experiment will get back into major football.

Completely agree. But, they will still be happy to get what they see as some riff raff out of the way (isu, ksu, etc). This way, they can detach themselves from us so that when the conferences resplit in 10 years (and I completely agree that they will), it will be without us.
 

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Conspiracy theory 1-B:

In this whole realignment thread, we've been pointing fingers at all involved, particularly ABC/ESPN as being the catalysts as we claim this super-conference scenario will make their grip as the power in college sports that much tighter. Even so, ESPN has been saying all along it does not want super-conferences. Now it's doubtful they've been completely truthful about this desire. For the sake of argument, let's take them at their word for a while and think if they're not the ones behind this whole realignment fiasco, who is? Is it any coincidence that the SEC is wanting to expand to sixteen? Remember, CBS Sports holds the Tier 1 TV broadcast rights to the SEC and probably would be the biggest media beneficiary of such an expansion. CBS Sports also had to know that any expansion of the SEC would, more than likely, trigger a new round of CFB conference realignment. Naturally, this realignment would put almost all TV contracts up for bid/renegotiation as the more powerful conferences expand, or new conferences form as a result, and CBS would probably get some additional rights to these reformed/new conferences. In addition, a new CFB championship tournament will be put into place that, by all accounts, would be hugely profitable. CBS already owns the rights to the NCAA Div. I MBB national championship tournament, so one could assume CBS would bid hugely on the broadcast rights for the equivalent tournament for CFB. Not only would gaining those rights make CBS Sports the richest sports network, but control of college sports would all but be taken from ESPN as a result. So, this whole realignment mess our favorite university is in may not be due to ESPN's and UT's efforts to make money off of UT's LHN, but it could be the result of a huge power play by other networks to end ESPN's dominance in the world of college sports broadcasting. By using the SEC as the catalyst, CBS Sports maybe putting itself in position as the dominant college sports network in the near future.

Believe me, CBS Sports wouldn't give two hairs on a gnat's arse about the fate of ISU and similar schools across the US. ESPN does care slightly, or so it appears.
 
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Orangebloods.com - Sources: Texas being told to slow things down


With reports surfacing that Oklahoma is all but ready to commit to the Pac-12, Texas lawmakers are so concerned about the Longhorns possibly following suit that a full-court press is being made to slow things down by elected officials and corporate CEOs with influence, sources said.

"We don't want any hasty decision being made that hasn't been well thought out," one lawmaker told Orangebloods.com on Sunday.

Sources said the reason lawmakers are hot is that they received assurances from the Big 12, including Powers, that the Big 12 would survive without Texas A&M.

And because of those assurances, lawmakers did not take an aggressive stand against Texas A&M withdrawing from the Big 12. But that may be changing.

Sources said members of the Legislature are or will be reaching out to Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin to tell him the Aggies may no longer have the blessing of lawmakers to leave the Big 12, especially if it looks like the Big 12 will collapse.
 

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Putting on a tinfoil hat, is this all just a play to try to force A&M back in?

Otherwise, some reports have said OU may go with OSU and either TTU\UT or if UT wont go, they'll grab KU\MU. So if OU is committed to going, Texas could be shooting itself (or basically forcing its own independence) by not following OU.

I dont see why the texas legislature would (or should) particularly care about the big 12 breaking up if the 3 texas public schools in the big 12 find good landing spots in the SEC and PAC
 

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I wonder if the SEC is still going to take Texas A&M and more or less destroy the Big 12. It has been mentioned that the SEC may not accept Texas A&M if it meant destroying a conference. This is of course is if you believe the SEC's word.
 

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I wonder if the SEC is still going to take Texas A&M and more or less destroy the Big 12. It has been mentioned that the SEC may not accept Texas A&M if it meant destroying a conference. This is of course is if you believe the SEC's word.

Ha! Believe university presidents these days?

Last year the Colorado pres said they'd stay...next week they left
Last year A&M committed to 10 years...this year they left
Last week OU committed to keeping in the Big 12...this weekend, they want to leave

University presidents are just like teenagers when it comes to a money grab.
 
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