*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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CloneAbuse

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The commissioner isnt some all powerful figure. The commish can only act within the wishes of his membership. When the membership is fractured, the commish can present options (as he did last year, which kept the conference limping along for another year), but ultimately everything rests on the shoulders of the members of the conference, particularly those members with power in the conference.

As I pointed out, he's the leagues head administrator. He should have formalized, in writing, what the remaining 10 schools committed to last year. It was stated there would be stiffer penalty for exit after NU/CU left. By all accounts this year, the same by-laws were reviewed to determine the exit of A&M, that was not what was stated after the loss of NU/CU. He should be fired for not doing his job to protect the interests of those remaining...
 

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Yeah.

I really think the Big East would just go 14 here. Maybe throw in ECU and UCF for 16.

With the SEC needing 14 teams, unless that 14th team was ND, it's going to open up a Big East spot for ISU some how or another. Whether that's via taking an ACC team who in turn takes a Big East team, whether it's Missouri, or whether it's WVU, it will open something.

The Big East won't go to 14 football teams. That would mean 22 basketball teams. 16 in football is a possibility so they can split basketball into 2 12 team divisions.
 

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The commissioner isnt some all powerful figure. The commish can only act within the wishes of his membership. When the membership is fractured, the commish can present options (as he did last year, which kept the conference limping along for another year), but ultimately everything rests on the shoulders of the members of the conference, particularly those members with power in the conference.

Hmm, Delany, Scott and Slive seem pretty powerful to me.

This reminds my of McDermott's coaching tenure at ISU with all the players leaving. It is the guy at the top's job to keep things together. When that doesn't happen, guess what, it is his fault.
 

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I'd rather ISU be in a stable Big East than the SEC any day of the week.

What use is thumping your chest over conference affiliation when you're going to 1 bowl a decade?
One word. Money. Our bball and other teams could do well. Your games would be on TV.
 

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Hmm, Delany, Scott and Slive seem pretty powerful to me.

This reminds my of McDermott's coaching tenure at ISU with all the players leaving. It is the guy at the top's job to keep things together. When that doesn't happen, guess what, it is his fault.

Beebe was nothing more than a puppet for Texas. As it all unfolds, the fractured remnants of the Big XII should make a symbolic firing to ensure his services are not rendered elsewhere in the future (not that any entity would ever entertain the thought of him as their head administrator again).
 

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I disagree. ISU is a better choice in nearly every way than KSU.

Plus, why wouldn't the Big East just take all 5 Big 12 leftovers? ISU offers a new market, and excellent academics. Baylor would give the Big East a better presence in Texas, and give TCU a natural in conference rival.

I think they would take all 5. Problem is if Mizzou goes SEC then that is only 4 spots and creates a 13 team league. I suppose in that scenario they could also grab a Houston, ECU, or UCF.
 

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Seriously, if you have a choice between the SEC and the Big East, who in their right minds picks the Big East?

Me, I do. That's a league we can certainly compete in. That conference would be a pretty decent football conference with Pitt, TCU, and WVU with up and comers like ISU, USF, Cinci, and Louisville.
 

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FYI most Jayhawk fans (at least the insiders on the fan forums) feel if they have to go to the Big East they don't want KSU to follow them. Would rather have ISU instead.
 

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True....WVU to the SEC would actually probably be better for the ISU.

Look up Big East football attendance averages. We're solidly in the top half of the league. They'd be insane not to take ISU if they're expanding in close states like Missouri and Kansas or adding another Texas Team.
 

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FYI most Jayhawk fans (at least the insiders on the fan forums) feel if they have to go to the Big East they don't want KSU to follow them. Would rather have ISU instead.

That's good to hear. I mean, with you guys in the league, KSU adds nothing. You deliver KC and the state of Kansas.

If the Big East took KSU over ISU, they leave 3,000,000 people on the table. I just don't see why they'd do it. Especially when you guys aren't attached to KSU.
 

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Beebe

A conference commissioner isn't bigger than the members. Beebe has no control over what UT, OU, OSU, A&M, Neb are going to do- their money talks & Beebe is forced to listen.

In the case of the Big 12 Beebe is powerless in a couple regards:
  1. The Big 12 is a new conference, so their isn't the historical loyalty among schools like in the Pac 10, SEC or Big 10. In some ways the loyalty that existed among former Big 8 members was weakened by how the conference was divided North vs. South. The Biggest rivalry in the Big 8 was OU/Neb and that disappeared.
  2. I don't know what the schools where forced to agree to last summer. I think EVERYONE went along because they felt it was better to bide their time instead of forcing any issue. Does anyone thing that Beebe could have forced A&M, Texas, OU or OSU to sign any agreement that included too rich of a penalty for leaving?
In some ways, the Big 12's geography hurts. We are right in the middle- we can get poached from the West, South & East. The Pac 10, Big 10 and SEC can cherry pick Big 12 schools and they geographically fit & don't introduce a ton of travel expense for non-revenue sports.
 

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If Larry Scott was our commissioner, I guarantee you the Big 12 would be clearly the 3rd most stable and strong conference behind the Big 10 and SEC.

Not necessarily true. It's UT's power that has created the instability in the B12. It's like the King that becomes too powerful and oppresses the serfs. But in this situation the serfs have the ability to flee the kingdom.

The only way to make the conference stable is to even the playing field and that isn't going to happen with UT.
 

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In some ways, the Big 12's geography hurts. We are right in the middle- we can get poached from the West, South & East. The Pac 10, Big 10 and SEC can cherry pick Big 12 schools and they geographically fit & don't introduce a ton of travel expense for non-revenue sports.

And in some ways it should help the Big 12. We could easily expand from coast to coast.
 

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Texas in full blown panic mode, have contacted ACC. Looking for any BCS conference to keep LHN.
 
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