*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[F5cy]

I'd just like to point out that Texas Tech really doesn't fit into any other major conference besides the Big 12. They aren't qualified academically to be accepted by Cal and Stanford into the Pac-12, and the ACC is a little bit above their academic level as well. (besides the fact that Lubbock is 1500 miles to most of the rest of the ACC schools).

I've also seen it suggested that VT could possibly be a target for the SEC, or maybe even West Virginia. I would also find it incredibly difficult to believe that the Virginia General Assembly (legislature) would allow UVA and VT to split. There was a major issue with getting VT into the ACC in the first place, as Syracuse didn't garner enough votes to be accepted into the ACC back in '02 or '03, and the President of UVA (under major pressure from state delegates) suggested they add VT.

 

[justcynn]

What exactly is UT supposed to do?

give whatever OU wants to keep it together, rebranding the LHN to the BIGTUOUFEE network? I don't know but seems obvious OU is driving this and also obvious with an even playing field with Texas, they are still better off where they are

 

[aeroclone]

Chip Brown didn't mention ISU, therefore we are doomed. Yep, that was my conclusion. NOT.

Don't overreact to every news article. Two reasons why ISU is not mentioned:

1. Chip Brown doesn't care about us.
2. GG and JP are not talking to the media or anyone for that matter.

Who says that the leaks have to come from within ISU? If we are out there talking to people, there would also be sources within the Big East, Big 10, ACC, or even the Big 12 offices that would know things that they may leak. I would also think that if we are working with the other north schools (KU, KSU, MU) that there would be potential leaks within those schools as well. I know JP has had a history of keeping major things quiet, but the ripples of this issue go far beyond his sphere of influence. I am very concerned that our name doesn't seem to be coming up in any of these rumors. No smoke, no fire?

 

[aeroclone]

What exactly is UT supposed to do?

Give up on the LHN and help to establish a Big 12 Network. If they would have done this last year, Nebraska, CU, and aTm are all still here most likely, and we are all sitting back watching the cash roll in.

 

[Wesley]

I think the question is why now if not before, while everyone agreed to the Network deal, no one knew it would be so big for Texas, A&M couldn't handle it and appears to be leaving, they announce but don't have a concurrent announcement from the SEC, the SEC says sure we're taking you but if the big 12 explodes in the process, we only want to make once announcement so wait till we see if Texas is coming with you, or OU and maybe Mizzou and if it does explode then we can't get sued if Texas and OU go somewhere else. Meanwhile, Texas says hey, ya'll agreed to this what the problem? OU Says sure we agreed to it with A&M in the conference and no one else wants to join so either change the Network deal or we're gone, meanwhile if Missouri was choice 14 for the SEC, they would have locked it up and been done. Pac 12 travel seems to be a deal killer, I look for the remaining members texcept Texas to do something to appease OU like give them a share of their revenue to make them equal to Texas and go through this again next year.

Maybe SEC should go for UT and OU and stiff Tam.

 

[jbhtexas]

Fans are totally irrelevant in this. A&M isn't leaving because of "Political pressure" and neither would Oklahoma.

On the contrary, fans and boosters seem to be the primary reason A&M is looking around. It has been reported that the A&M AD and most coaches don't want to leave the Big 12. It's being driven by a booster and his $100,000,000 gift, and a bunch of whining fans.

Also, I find it very interesting that the A&M to SEC move still isn't official. This was supposed to be a slam dunk done deal and finished up a month ago.

 

[Rogue52]

Deja vu all over again.

 

[jbhtexas]

Give up on the LHN and help to establish a Big 12 Network. If they would have done this last year, Nebraska, CU, and aTm are all still here most likely, and we are all sitting back watching the cash roll in.

I disagree on NU and CU, and A&M is still is "here"...

 

[justcynn]

On the contrary, fans and boosters seem to be the primary reason A&M is looking around. It has been reported that the A&M AD and most coaches don't want to leave the Big 12. It's being driven by a booster and his $100,000,000 gift, and a bunch of whining fans.

Also, I find it very interesting that the A&M to SEC move still isn't official. This was supposed to be a slam dunk done deal and finished up a month ago.

on an unrelated note, is the JBH part of of your handle work related as in JB Hunt? Just curious

 

[HoopsTournament]

Time for another scenario

Let's say UT, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers go to ACC
And OSU, OU, KU, KSU go to PAC 10
And MU, A&M go to SEC

That leaves ISU, Baylor and Tech. I think we all 3 go to Big East along with Houston, ECU and UCF. That would not be as good as I would hope, BUT it would still be a BCS conference and I stil think it has enough markets to give us a tv contract better than what we have NOW, but not what we would have had.

The divisions would be

WEST
ISU
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Texas Tech
Louisville

EAST
Cincinnati
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

For BB, add
Marquette, Notre Dame and DePaul to west and move Cincinnati to west.
Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence and St. John's to east.

 

[jbhtexas]

on an unrelated note, is the JBH part of of your handle work related as in JB Hunt? Just curious

No...the initials of my name...

 

[im4cyclones]

Give up on the LHN and help to establish a Big 12 Network. If they would have done this last year, Nebraska, CU, and aTm are all still here most likely, and we are all sitting back watching the cash roll in.

If Texas doesn't have the LHN, they could leave for any other conference. They could go to the b10 and make MORE money than here. The LHN is probably the only thing keeping them here.

 

[isuno1fan]

One way or another, the SEC's 14th team will create a spot for ISU in the Big East.

1) they take Mizzou. We take Mizzou's spot.

2) They take VA Tech. ACC takes Rutgers/Cuse/UConn. Big East needs to fill that slot.

3) They take WVU. Big East needs to fill that slot.

This isn't even considering us bringing more to the table than KSU or the Big East going to 14/16.

What if that spot goes to Baylor?

I doubt it would happen, but it could.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Who says that the leaks have to come from within ISU? If we are out there talking to people, there would also be sources within the Big East, Big 10, ACC, or even the Big 12 offices that would know things that they may leak. I would also think that if we are working with the other north schools (KU, KSU, MU) that there would be potential leaks within those schools as well. I know JP has had a history of keeping major things quiet, but the ripples of this issue go far beyond his sphere of influence. I am very concerned that our name doesn't seem to be coming up in any of these rumors. No smoke, no fire?

There has not been any real confirmation of which schools that Big East has been talking too. Only NYT that said multiple sources and then others that "interpreted" it as KSU, KU and MU. Don't read anything into that.

 

[justcynn]

Time for another scenario

Let's say UT, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers go to ACC
And OSU, OU, KU, KSU go to PAC 10
And MU, A&M go to SEC

That leaves ISU, Baylor and Tech. I think we all 3 go to Big East along with Houston, ECU and UCF. That would not be as good as I would hope, BUT it would still be a BCS conference and I stil think it has enough markets to give us a tv contract better than what we have NOW, but not what we would have had.

The divisions would be

WEST
ISU
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Texas Tech
Louisville

EAST
Cincinnati
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

For BB, add
Marquette, Notre Dame and DePaul to west and move Cincinnati to west.
Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence and St. John's to east.

No way Texas ends up in the ACC, sure they want to say the LHN is important and the ACC will honor their contract, but UT will be in the Big 12, in the SEC or the Pac whatever. Its almost like saying, screw everyone the MWC will let us have our network and we are UT, ACC is just posturing with OU - nothing more or less

 

[clonedude]

Who says that the leaks have to come from within ISU? If we are out there talking to people, there would also be sources within the Big East, Big 10, ACC, or even the Big 12 offices that would know things that they may leak. I would also think that if we are working with the other north schools (KU, KSU, MU) that there would be potential leaks within those schools as well. I know JP has had a history of keeping major things quiet, but the ripples of this issue go far beyond his sphere of influence. I am very concerned that our name doesn't seem to be coming up in any of these rumors. No smoke, no fire?

Correct. It's not as if Chip Brown is the only one saying this. Someone else linked a story in the NY Times I think it was that also mentioned KU, KSU, and Mizzou to the Big East. There have been many, many other articles too.

Usually when there's that much smoke, there's fire. Why don't you see us mentioned basically anywhere? That is a bit disconcerting if you ask me.

 

[RackEm]

Baylor University || Baylor Nation || Don't Mess With Texas Football

Baylor Fans are embarrassed and worried now....

 

[im4cyclones]

Time for another scenario

Let's say UT, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers go to ACC
And OSU, OU, KU, KSU go to PAC 10
And MU, A&M go to SEC

That leaves ISU, Baylor and Tech. I think we all 3 go to Big East along with Houston, ECU and UCF. That would not be as good as I would hope, BUT it would still be a BCS conference and I stil think it has enough markets to give us a tv contract better than what we have NOW, but not what we would have had.

The divisions would be

WEST
ISU
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Texas Tech
Louisville

EAST
Cincinnati
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

For BB, add
Marquette, Notre Dame and DePaul to west and move Cincinnati to west.
Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence and St. John's to east.

If the Big East was hoping Villanova would move up to FBS to be their 14th team, I'd say they would take ECU, Houston, or just about anyone.

Their worry should be Pitt. If I was the commissioner, I would get every AD to call Pitt and tell them how much they love them. I don't know how the Big East makes it without Pitt. Beno Cook would no longer give Big East football any love on ESPN. (Is he still alive?)

 

[CyCrazy]

No...the initials of my name...

I would have figured JBH means you are better than anyone else? Thats how you prefer to post anyways... If I am wrong carry on.

 

[hawkin]

FYI Chip doesn't have the full story on who's hearing from who. Most likely ISU has heard from the BEast also but hasn't had the media coverage like some of the other schools. KU has heard from the ACC an Chip didn't mention that.