"ISU's Super Bowl"

[kentkel]

In a conversation amongst Hawk and Cyclone fans later on yesterday, I heard some hawk fan say that it was our Superbowl and that CPR even confirmed that in his press conference. He said that CPR, when asked, confirmed that the win was bigger than Tex last year and Neb the year before that. I watched the presser and, true to nature, the Hawk left out one MAJOR detail: the media person asked CPR WHY this win was bigger. With a huge grin on his face, CPR said, "because it happened THIS YEAR." Then he (and the rest of the room) had a big laugh at it. Anyway, I get a little miffed at those Hawks who down-play an ISU win, but I take great satisfaction knowing that it is killing them inside. They wouldn't say such boneheaded things if it truly wasn't bothering them.

AND BTW, every game on your schedule SHOULD be your superbowl - or you will not reach the goals that you have set as a team.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

Regardless of who thinks it's who's Super Bowl, you'd better match the intensity of your opponent or you're going to be in for a long day unless you have just a massive talent advantage. And Iowa does not have a massive talent advantage over ISU, nor does ISU over Iowa.

 

[06_CY]

I cringe every time I hear that on the Hawkeye message boards because of how woefully tired, lame, and inaccurate that statement is. But there is a certain segment of the fan base that use that as a way of justifying the loss to themselves, and unfortunately that segment has access to a computer and the internet.

A lot of those same people say that the Iowa/Northwestern game is the "Super Bowl" for NW...::facepalm::

I can't wait until the mail guy at work tomorrow starts spouting off about this being ISU's Super Bowl. Seriously, I don't have issues with many Iowa fans, but this guy is the ultimate homer. He dogs ISU/ISU fans every chance he gets, but the crap he says is so out there, it's stupid.

 

[tm3308]

You know, I'd love to be able to say that Iowa is the more talented team (which wouldn't change the fact that they were outplayed), but I don't think I can. At a few positions, yes.

But while I'm very happy with Iowa's linebacking corps, I can't honestly say that they are MORE talented than ISU's. Perhaps equal (allow me that level of bias, please), but ISU has damn good players, particular at that spot. ISU's o-line perhaps isn't as talented at each spot, but they played very well yesterday, and the left side of that line with Hicks and KO is VERY good. Reiff didn't look any too special yesterday, and KO looked like the first round pick that he's going to be.

Vandenberg is the more talented NFL-type QB, but that doesn't mean much in the college game. Jantz is a VERY good college QB. His style of play is perfect for college football, and he's excellent with that style.

This list just kind of goes on. Kicker is the one position I know I can look at and say that Iowa is flat out better. Other positions, like WR, we may have the best individual player, but ISU's receiving corps looked good, and deep. It makes a huge difference when Reynolds brings his A game and shows what he's capable of. McNutt is the best WR between the two teams, and Davis is probably in the top 5, but he wouldn't be any higher than #4 at this point.

If I were to make an ISU/Iowa lineup today:

QB: Jantz
RB: Shontrelle, Coker (nice complement to each other)
TE: Herman or Fiedorowicz (not sure if ISU had a TE with any catches yesterday, so I don't even know what you guys have at this spot)
WR: McNutt, Lenz, Reynolds when he's on (otherwise put Horne in this spot)
LT: KO
LG: Hicks
C: Ferentz
RG: Gettis
RT: Reiff

DE: Neal
DT: Ruemp
DT: Daniels
DE: Binns or Lattimer
OLB: Knott
MLB: Klein or Morris
OLB: Klein or Morris (move one of them outside to get the best 3 on the field)
CB: Leonard Johnson
FS: Hyde
SS: Benton
CB: Prater

 

[CyBroncos]

It must also be Northwestern and Ohio State's yearly Super Bowl (other teams that have success against Iowa)

 

[Frak]

With the schedule ISU is facing, EVERY game better be their Super Bowl if they want to get to a bowl game.

 

[JustRedman]

I cringe every time I hear that on the Hawkeye message boards because of how woefully tired, lame, and inaccurate that statement is. But there is a certain segment of the fan base that use that as a way of justifying the loss to themselves, and unfortunately that segment has access to a computer and the internet."

I don't mean this at all sarcastic, but thank you. I cannot stand when Hawk fans write off ISU as just wanting to win more. Look at the years that we have won the game since '98, ISU has honestly had the better team in '98,'99,'00,'01,'02 (at time of game), '05 both teams went 7-5. 2007 was really the only time you could call it an upset.
Most Hawk fans need to come off their high horse, or just sober up for a minute, to realize that we haven't been upsetting you nearly as much as you think. We just aren't the ****** team that most of the state would like to believe.

 

[clonedude]

You know, I'd love to be able to say that Iowa is the more talented team (which wouldn't change the fact that they were outplayed), but I don't think I can. At a few positions, yes.

But while I'm very happy with Iowa's linebacking corps, I can't honestly say that they are MORE talented than ISU's. Perhaps equal (allow me that level of bias, please), but ISU has damn good players, particular at that spot. ISU's o-line perhaps isn't as talented at each spot, but they played very well yesterday, and the left side of that line with Hicks and KO is VERY good. Reiff didn't look any too special yesterday, and KO looked like the first round pick that he's going to be.

Vandenberg is the more talented NFL-type QB, but that doesn't mean much in the college game. Jantz is a VERY good college QB. His style of play is perfect for college football, and he's excellent with that style.

This list just kind of goes on. Kicker is the one position I know I can look at and say that Iowa is flat out better. Other positions, like WR, we may have the best individual player, but ISU's receiving corps looked good, and deep. It makes a huge difference when Reynolds brings his A game and shows what he's capable of. McNutt is the best WR between the two teams, and Davis is probably in the top 5, but he wouldn't be any higher than #4 at this point.

If I were to make an ISU/Iowa lineup today:

QB: Jantz
RB: Shontrelle, Coker (nice complement to each other)
TE: Herman or Fiedorowicz (not sure if ISU had a TE with any catches yesterday, so I don't even know what you guys have at this spot)
WR: McNutt, Lenz, Reynolds when he's on (otherwise put Horne in this spot)
LT: KO
LG: Hicks
C: Ferentz
RG: Gettis
RT: Reiff

DE: Neal
DT: Ruemp
DT: Daniels
DE: Binns or Lattimer
OLB: Knott
MLB: Klein or Morris
OLB: Klein or Morris (move one of them outside to get the best 3 on the field)
CB: Leonard Johnson
FS: Hyde
SS: Benton
CB: Prater

Hicks is a RG, not LG.

And how do you know that Vandenburg would be the better NFL style QB? I wouldn't necessarily say that. Steele is a playmaker. NFL teams need playmakers too. Just ask the Eagles.

 

[Frak]

You know, I'd love to be able to say that Iowa is the more talented team (which wouldn't change the fact that they were outplayed), but I don't think I can. At a few positions, yes.

But while I'm very happy with Iowa's linebacking corps, I can't honestly say that they are MORE talented than ISU's. Perhaps equal (allow me that level of bias, please), but ISU has damn good players, particular at that spot. ISU's o-line perhaps isn't as talented at each spot, but they played very well yesterday, and the left side of that line with Hicks and KO is VERY good. Reiff didn't look any too special yesterday, and KO looked like the first round pick that he's going to be.

Vandenberg is the more talented NFL-type QB, but that doesn't mean much in the college game. Jantz is a VERY good college QB. His style of play is perfect for college football, and he's excellent with that style.

This list just kind of goes on. Kicker is the one position I know I can look at and say that Iowa is flat out better. Other positions, like WR, we may have the best individual player, but ISU's receiving corps looked good, and deep. It makes a huge difference when Reynolds brings his A game and shows what he's capable of. McNutt is the best WR between the two teams, and Davis is probably in the top 5, but he wouldn't be any higher than #4 at this point.

If I were to make an ISU/Iowa lineup today:

QB: Jantz
RB: Shontrelle, Coker (nice complement to each other)
TE: Herman or Fiedorowicz (not sure if ISU had a TE with any catches yesterday, so I don't even know what you guys have at this spot)
WR: McNutt, Lenz, Reynolds when he's on (otherwise put Horne in this spot)
LT: KO
LG: Hicks
C: Ferentz
RG: Gettis
RT: Reiff

DE: Neal
DT: Ruemp
DT: Daniels
DE: Binns or Lattimer
OLB: Knott
MLB: Klein or Morris
OLB: Klein or Morris (move one of them outside to get the best 3 on the field)
CB: Leonard Johnson
FS: Hyde
SS: Benton
CB: Prater

Nice post. I can't disagree with anything you wrote. It's been a long time since I could say that ISU had similar talent to iowa on defense. Definitely iowa has fallen back a bit on D due to graduation losses, but ISU has upgraded as well.

 

[tm3308]

It must also be Northwestern and Ohio State's yearly Super Bowl (other teams that have success against Iowa)

That's not fair to say about OSU. They own pretty much everybody in the Big Ten outside of outside of Michigan, historically. Because they're routinely one of the top two teams. They're just flat out more talented. Northwestern isn't always more talented than Iowa (see: 2009, 2010), but they win anyway because they're a matchup nightmare for our defense.

 

[MartyFine]

I can't tell you how many times I've heard/seen this from Hok* fans since about 3:00 Saturday afternoon.

Let me get this straight for all of you. This is NOT Iowa State's Super Bowl. Paul Rhoads has made it very, VERY clear - Big XII conference games are what matter, because that's how you win the conference. But we want to win EVERY game and we go out with that attitude, regardless of who's on the other sideline.

Iowa and Iowa State spent just as much time preparing for this game. They had just as many practices and just as many contact hours with coaches. At the end of the day, the more inspired, well-coached, and flat out talented team won the game at Jack Trice yesterday. And if you can't understand that, Hok fan, you are truly dumber than a bag of rocks.

Now GTFO of Ames.

*Please do not be offended, Hawk fan. I know that you are not like your drunken, idiotic Hok fan brethren who simply cannot understand that the Hawks were outplayed yesterday. Hoks give Hawks a bad name.

One cannot watch this below and think the game doesn't mean anything to Iowa. That is silly first of all, and totally contradicts what even Hayden Fry thought about the series. Only those on the losing end (Walden for example) attempt to reduce the meaning...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJsqIRKOMzw]1977 #19 Iowa State at Iowa Highlights - YouTube[/ame]

 

[GreenRocketCY]

You know, I'd love to be able to say that Iowa is the more talented team (which wouldn't change the fact that they were outplayed), but I don't think I can. At a few positions, yes.

But while I'm very happy with Iowa's linebacking corps, I can't honestly say that they are MORE talented than ISU's. Perhaps equal (allow me that level of bias, please), but ISU has damn good players, particular at that spot. ISU's o-line perhaps isn't as talented at each spot, but they played very well yesterday, and the left side of that line with Hicks and KO is VERY good. Reiff didn't look any too special yesterday, and KO looked like the first round pick that he's going to be.

Vandenberg is the more talented NFL-type QB, but that doesn't mean much in the college game. Jantz is a VERY good college QB. His style of play is perfect for college football, and he's excellent with that style.

This list just kind of goes on. Kicker is the one position I know I can look at and say that Iowa is flat out better. Other positions, like WR, we may have the best individual player, but ISU's receiving corps looked good, and deep. It makes a huge difference when Reynolds brings his A game and shows what he's capable of. McNutt is the best WR between the two teams, and Davis is probably in the top 5, but he wouldn't be any higher than #4 at this point.

If I were to make an ISU/Iowa lineup today:

QB: Jantz
RB: Shontrelle, Coker (nice complement to each other)
TE: Herman or Fiedorowicz (not sure if ISU had a TE with any catches yesterday, so I don't even know what you guys have at this spot)
WR: McNutt, Lenz, Reynolds when he's on (otherwise put Horne in this spot)
LT: KO
LG: Hicks
C: Ferentz
RG: Gettis
RT: Reiff

DE: Neal
DT: Ruemp
DT: Daniels
DE: Binns or Lattimer
OLB: Knott
MLB: Klein or Morris
OLB: Klein or Morris (move one of them outside to get the best 3 on the field)
CB: Leonard Johnson
FS: Hyde
SS: Benton
CB: Prater

That would be a darn good team.

 

[titleist]

Don't let that 'superbowl' statement get to you. It's a very important game for both sides.

At this point in the season, ISU is the better team. End of story. Next up- UCONN!

 

[CyBer]

LOL look at the stupid hawks, guess what hawks, we won. You suck, get used to it.


Don't tell me ISU doesn't get more fired up for this game than Iowa - HawkeyeNation Forum

 

[Rogue52]

Hawkeye fans apparently forget what Hayden Fry's own opinion was about the Iowa vs. Iowa State game.

 

[uro cy]

Well...I guess this isn't EIU's superbowl, if they say so.

But listening to Soundoff....one of the Hok Gurus was trying to explain that since EIU had more starters on offense and their QB from Iowa, the game means more to them, and they were tight and didn't play well. But its not their superbowl.. :skeptical:

 

[tm3308]

Well...I guess this isn't EIU's superbowl, if they say so.

But listening to Soundoff....one of the Hok Gurus was trying to explain that since EIU had more starters on offense and their QB from Iowa, the game means more to them, and they were tight and didn't play well. But its not their superbowl.. :skeptical:

It's not Iowa's Super Bowl. Because it's not ISU's, either. That's just a stupid rationalization, and one that I stopped subscribing to when I was like 16 years old. Because it's a juvenile argument.

Now I've been one to say that the game can only hurt us at times, because if we're expected to be a very good team by the national media and we win, no big deal, but if we lose (and there is a much higher chance of losing to ISU than to Tenn Tech or the like) it's incredibly damaging.

However, in most seasons, the Hawks are under the national radar, so the outcome of the game isn't going to hurt Iowa's national perception on the year, because they barely even HAVE a national perception.

There's ZERO good reason to drop this series. I've now experienced it at both Kinnick and Jack Trice, and it was an absolute blast both times (at least until yesterday's game was over, it was a lot of fun).

 

[uro cy]

It's not Iowa's Super Bowl. Because it's not ISU's, either. That's just a stupid rationalization, and one that I stopped subscribing to when I was like 16 years old. Because it's a juvenile argument.

I don't disagree with you....but a lot of you brethren feel otherwise

 

[CRcyclone6]

This will be considered "ISU"s Super Bowl" until ISU sustains winning seasons. Many times we have won the game only to see a sub-par year the rest of the way. That's why Iowa fans say this. ISU goes 3-9, 5-7, 7-7, but beats Iowa. Must be their Super Bowl. We need to beat teams we should, UCONN, KU, KST, teams like this. Then I think the Super Bowl talk may go away. On the other hand, it's total sour grapes and a **** pour excuse from those people for a loss. Screw em.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I would trade a win over Iowa this year, for any Big12 team except Kansas.

It's fun to rub it in to Iowa fan for a little while, but in reality Iowa isn't some college football superpower, they're a middle of the pack Big10 team.

I wouldn't necessarily say that, since I'm more interested in winning more than two games this season. This argument is just as lame and tired as the Super Bowl argument.


I don't necessarily value one win over another, especially when we're fighting to get to 6 this year - and yesterday went a long way to helping get us there. It was one of those wins that we had to find.