I think even OU will struggle recruiting Texas too. I think there will be a lot of animosity there if this all happens.
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I think even OU will struggle recruiting Texas too. I think there will be a lot of animosity there if this all happens.
I could see the PAC getting screwed again. Last year they thought they were getting the Big 12 south, instead they get Colorado and Utah, this year they think they are getting either Texas/TTech or Kansas/Mizzou to go along with OU/OSU and end up getting Nevada and New Mexico.
I know this may sound crazy, but adding Nevada, New Mexico and BYU could be a good idea. Sure, they may not be much now, but with their huge geographical footprint and influx of revenue $, they could build good programs out there and be the primary team of the state. Just a thought.
And maybe Tulsa to fill the gab of OU and OSU
And maybe Tulsa to fill the gab of OU and OSU
The only thing that makes sense is for the Big XII to remain.
None of the Big XII schools are a fit in the Pac 12. Colorado and Utah are a fit. That made sense.
No Big XII school is a fit in the Big East. Neither is TCU for that matter.
ISU, MO, KU and outside of academics, KSU are a great fit for the B1G but that leaves TX, OU, OSU, TT, Baylor, and for the moment aTm with nothing unless they picked up Houston, SMU, etc... then you might as well just call it the TX conference. OU is basically a team of texans anyway.
According to numerous reports, no one wants 16 teams and the B1G is content with what they have, and they should be.
OU and OSU are going to come to their senses I think. I really believe this is all just posturing for a better deal within the Big XII outside of aTm. I believe they really do want to get out.
The amount of travel required to play in a conference like the Pac 16 for an OU and OSU would be ridiculous. Forget Football for a minute because travel is minimal in football anyway. You take a handful of trips a year. But look at every other sport that is non revenue producing. Good luck with that future OU and OSU recruits!
Look at the pros and cons of staying and leaving...
Staying
Continue to recruit TX (HUGE)
Maintain lucrative TV contracts
Maintain a conference that exists in one time zone
Keel rivalries alive
By staying, you have a real shot at being in the Nat. Champ. game every year
You have the right to develop your own network
If you stay and ACTUALLY commit with the rest of the teams, you have stability
You have TX at the table willing to negotiate revenue sharing. Take advantage of it!
Leaving
You screw TX
You MIGHT get more money from TV but then spend it on your non rev sports traveling
You gain recruiting on the West Coast (which in my opinion doesn't offset losing TX)
That's it. I see nothing more to gain. In the end, it makes no sense whatsoever. Take the emotion out of all of this and I think the Big XII remains, adds teams and gets stronger.
None of the Big XII schools are a fit in the Pac 12. Colorado and Utah are a fit. That made sense.
No Big XII school is a fit in the Big East. Neither is TCU for that matter.
ISU, MO, KU and outside of academics, KSU are a great fit for the B1G but that leaves TX, OU, OSU, TT, Baylor, and for the moment aTm with nothing unless they picked up Houston, SMU, etc... then you might as well just call it the TX conference. OU is basically a team of texans anyway.
According to numerous reports, no one wants 16 teams and the B1G is content with what they have, and they should be.
OU and OSU are going to come to their senses I think. I really believe this is all just posturing for a better deal within the Big XII outside of aTm. I believe they really do want to get out.
The amount of travel required to play in a conference like the Pac 16 for an OU and OSU would be ridiculous. Forget Football for a minute because travel is minimal in football anyway. You take a handful of trips a year. But look at every other sport that is non revenue producing. Good luck with that future OU and OSU recruits!
Look at the pros and cons of staying and leaving...
Staying
Continue to recruit TX (HUGE)
Maintain lucrative TV contracts
Maintain a conference that exists in one time zone
Keel rivalries alive
By staying, you have a real shot at being in the Nat. Champ. game every year
You have the right to develop your own network
If you stay and ACTUALLY commit with the rest of the teams, you have stability
You have TX at the table willing to negotiate revenue sharing. Take advantage of it!
Leaving
You screw TX
You MIGHT get more money from TV but then spend it on your non rev sports traveling
You gain recruiting on the West Coast (which in my opinion doesn't offset losing TX)
That's it. I see nothing more to gain. In the end, it makes no sense whatsoever. Take the emotion out of all of this and I think the Big XII remains, adds teams and gets stronger.
Way too many reaches here. The problem is if Ou and OSU leave, two of your top three remaining teams just left. replacing them with the above schools does not keep the Big 12 a BCS auto qualifier,and no network is going to pay you that much for this lineup. Also, UT will leave, and all this is for naught. OU needs to stay.
Pac East you mean
We all know college football doesn't operate on the same geography as the real world anymore.
Don't lump OSU in with OU. OSU has a much pull in this as ISU does. They just have a strong dance partner to insure a good landing. We don't.
I added OSU BECAUSE they are joined at the hip to OU. It makes even less sense for them than it does for OU!
VS what? What would our other options be, by all means tell me the magic programs that would leave where they are to come to this conference of 7? No matter what, big east of the midwest is our best option if OU is gone.
It's not that I disagree with you - the thing you're not taking into account is it's not sense that's driving this superconference drama, it's how much television $$$ can be made in the process. That's why you're seeing teams like Texas to the B1G or ACC, OU and OSU (plus others) to the Pac 12, Middle Atlantic/New York teams to the B1G, Midwest teams to the Big East, etc. Sense isn't driving this, the amount of insane television revenue that can be made is.
The other thing that isn't being taken into account is who says this thing stops at 64? Who's to say that a decade from now the larger schools are sick of splitting revenues with schools like Mississippi St and Indiana and as a result whittle this thing down to 48 or even 32? Don't say it'll never happen - wasn't the split of DI into A and AA supposed to be the last great split? And yet here we are, looking to do it again...
I fully understand it's about money. And I'm saying the Big XII has a lucrative contract in place already that OU gets a nice chunk of and rights to their own network if they choose to pursue it. They may get slightly more money in a PAC 16 but the revenue would be offset by their increased travel costs. Not to mention increased recruiting costs as they start to recruit from the West coast as well! It's all about money and that's one of the main reasons the Big XII makes the most sense.
In the end, believe it or not, logic will prevail and the Big XII will remain in some form. That is the conclusion I've come to.
Definite possibilities there. IMO, you could add Cincinnati, Memphis to the mix as well. Houston would jump at the chance. And others as well. The key thing is that Texas is the lynchpin. And I do NOT see them going to the ACC. That is insane. Some sort of conference will evolve. And some schools will step up and fill the vacuum if OU and OSU leave as well.
There is too much money in the present contract for Tier 2 rights to let it go. And Tier 1 comes up in a few years. Pac ?? keeps adding teams and dividing up the fixed amount of money. Dividing $250 million per year by 16 teams does not make any economic sense at all. The money will be much greater in the Big 12 after the Tier 1 contract is done in just a few years.
My prediction is that the Big 12 will exist in some form. With Texas staying. There are a number of teams out there that will come on board for the $$$$. The Big East is far from stable as well. And the ACC too. Teams could be poached. SEC will add a 14th team. And it will not be Texas. And I doubt it is Mizzou.
Once againt, Louisville, Southern Miss and Cincinnati will not leave their stable AQ conference to play with the Texas 7. Wont happen which is why I said the teams I said. Houston and Memphis maybe, but those teams don't really bring much more than the teams I listed and another team in Texas does nothing but take talent that would come to us away as they would prefer to play in Texas if in the same conference. Until the Big East loses a team, they are stable.
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